Fjordman

Is Islam Doomed?

An interesting debate I stumbled across at the FFI forum. Posted at LGF yesterday, now reposted here. Bob here has some good points, but still makes several mistakes from my point of view. The Aztecs had less advanced weaponry than the Westerners they faced. So do Muslims today, yes, but they can buy infidel weaponry and technology due to hundreds of billions of Arab petrodollars. The Islamic awakening we are witnessing now has several causes. One is ironically infidel technology such as the Internet, which makes it possible to bypass the traditional institutions and establish contacts across the global Ummah. The other is Saudi oil wealth, used to finance Jihad and buy influence. The third is an unprecedented population growth that has been allowed to be dumped on infidel countries through immigration. Unless all these three main causes are dealt with, we could lose.

The Internet is a double-edged sword, which can also be used against Islam. That's what I am doing here. The oil question is complicated, and probably deserves a separate thread. Immigration is crucial. Demographic Jihad is the most important kind of Jihad right now. Yes, Islam is a failure in creating anything other than trouble. Left alone without petrodollars, the Islamic world would collapse. But this requires concerted infidel containment, and absolutely zero Muslim immigration of any kind allowed. If left unchecked, Muslim immigration alone could destroy Europe from within, as we are already seeing indications of in France. An Islamic Europe would soon be reduced to third world status and become an empty shell, just like the earlier civilizations in the Middle East. But in the meantime, it would be a source of global instability and be used as a staging ground for Jihad activities against other infidel powers. In the end, the Americans, the Russians, the Israelis, the Indians and maybe even the Chinese would be forced to subdue Eurabia by brute force because it would represent a threat against their security:



There is no Islamic threat to the West

There is no Islamic threat to the West

bob (Paris, France):

There is no Islamic threat to the West. True, birth rates are high among Muslim populations. True, Iran is developing its nuclear capacities. But when I see that Muslims are fired by a simple and simplistic destructive urge - torching ambulances, cars, schools or whatever - I feel optimistic rather than pessimistic. The urge to destroy for the sake of destruction is a sign of weakness and not strength. Cortes learnt about Aztec myths and used them to manipulate and alter the Aztec perception of the arrival of the Spanish. The Aztecs were in part defeated from within their own worldview by a mind that could also place itself within that same worldview. Aztecs were imprisoned and defeated by their own narrative paradigm. The West has Orientalists. Bernard Lewis is an adviser to the US government. Muslims who are opposed to the West do not have 'Occidentalists'. For them ‘The West’ is contained solely within their own narrative paradigm ( Crusaders, enemies of Islam, supporters of the Zionist entity, associators, sinners, fornicators etc who are 'doomed' to defeat because Allah is not on their side etc etc). When Muslims make a critique of the West they can only do so through the lense of Islam. Because they do not understand US and we can understand THEM and although we might have a tough time ahead of us, when push come to shove, it is not us who will be either pushed or shoved but them.

Of course Muslims want to dominate the world. Just as Communists did. But Communism imploded. Islamic societies CANNOT be Islamic and SUCCESSFUL (meeting the basic aspirations of their peoples) at the same time. Discontent in Muslim societies is expressed by a further lurch towards Islamic radicalism which in turn FAILS the society which it is supposed to 'save'. There WILL be a growth in Islamic radicalism and Islamic terror. Of that I am sure. But in the long term ALL forms of Islam will turn out to be a failure. There is ONLY one dominant culture in the world, the one that emerged from Western Europe about four hundred years ago and which spread to America and the rest of our planet. Islam today is not pro-active but reactive. Rejecting Western culture which has become universal is like European hunters and gatherers rejecting the agriculturally-based neolithic revolution that spread out from Mesopotamia about 6000 years ago. It is DOOMED to failure.

agentazure:

They are not attacking in a way that we could use our strengths, they attacking us at where we're most vulnerable and using our weaknesses against us. They're using our entrenched political correctness ideology to get away with any hate speech. They're free to propagate their religion while the dominant Christian faith is being erased. They're using our laws against impinging on our personal liberty and political correctness against us by preaching hate, plotting and attempting violence all the while our hands are tied behind our backs in our inability to profile. They're using our welfare benefits to their advantage when you know damn well they are not going to be willing to support non-Muslim pensioners when their numbers are large enough to resist. They have their demographics on their side. No amount of powerful firepower is going to solve these problems. I think you all are wrong. I think Islam has an excellent chance at winning.

posted by Unknown @ 6:02 PM