Sunday, August 14, 2005

The anti-national liberalism at the core of Indian national identity

The anti-national liberalism at the core of Indian national identity

This is a sensitive subject, but tell me how Indians deal with the fact that it was foreign imperialists, the British, who created India as a unified country. Is that a wound in the Indian psyche, or is it assimilated into a larger view in which it makes sense and is ok with the Indians? That’s very complicated. I think our starting point has to be the fact that India is not a nation like Germany or Japan. It’s a political creation that brings together hundreds of different tribes and peoples living together. So when one asks the question about a people’s conception of their history, it depends which people one is talking about. The Sikhs for example have a very simple history—it originates in their ten Gurus who were their law givers and then culminates in furious wars with Moslem rulers in which the Sikhs despite being hopelessly outnumbered brought the Moghul empire to the brink of collapse. But the crux of it is that Indians don’t really have a conception of their history. The writing of history was never done in ancient India. All the history we know about India is found in the writings of foreign travellers—Arabs and Chinese.

5 Comments:

At August 15, 2005 3:27 AM, Blogger sissyblue said...

This is totally off this subject, but I was surfing "little green footballs" and linked to a "liberal" blogger: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/14/25649/4919

Here's the funny part though, when I went into the comments section of the Sheehan story, I found that liberals sound like morons compared to the intelligent repartee one sees on conservative blogs! Every 5th word is a swear word, or name calling. It's like they're all under 14 years old. Very strange....

 
At August 15, 2005 7:56 AM, Blogger ik said...

Awesome Fjordman - I never thought any Westerner would actually get this close to understanding India. Most of the stuff is accurate except for some minor quibbles.

The Hindu Nationalists do have intellectuals - they have been deliberately marginalized - Here are their books
http://voi.org/books/

About the AHistorical part - Oswald Spengler categorized India as a Ahistorical civilization
The Hindu religion is also fundamentally ahistorical.

Here is the Hindu Nationalist reply as to why India is a nation
Why India Is A Nation
http://www.sulekha.com/expressions/column.asp?cid=305879

There is also the problem that the British ruled in alliance with the Muslim minority (Almost all of the nationalist movement against the British was run by the Hindus - the muslims just piled on at the last minute after all the hard work had been done)

The British had a big hand in fanning the flames of Islamic jihadism (just like the Americans did in Afghanistan to destroy Communism - not passing judgement just pointing out)
Here is Winston Churchill collaborating with Jinnah (creator of Pakistan)
"The letters reveal Jinnah saw Churchill as an ally against ‘‘caste Hindus’’.

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=52299

Also the point about India not being a nation like Germany of Japan - India is more like the "European Union" Each state in India has a different language/culture/dress/food (and the difference is not dialects - but language - the difference between Marathi and Punjabi is like the difference between English and Italian) Just as most of the European languages are descended from Latin (except I think Finnish/Hungarian/Estonian) in India all the languages are descended from Sanskrit (except Tamil and maybe some others I do not know because I am not a linguist)

 
At August 15, 2005 1:53 PM, Blogger Pastorius said...

Sissyblue,
On the topic of your off-topic:

Yes, isn't that bizarre. I have yet to come across a conservative blog whose commentary resides at such a low-level. I think one would have to read neo-Nazi, and "God hates fags" websites in order to find such discourse on the right.

Could it be that what passes for contemporary mainstream liberalism is truly extremist hate?

 
At August 15, 2005 3:20 PM, Blogger sissyblue said...

Pastorius,

You're right, and if that's the level of their intelligence, we have nothing to worry about! I read a book once on "dog intelligence", and one of the IQ tests was to throw a blanket over their head and see how long it takes them to get out from under it. I think most liberals would be struggling with that one for days! They'd probably be running around thinking they'd gone blind!

 
At August 15, 2005 6:26 PM, Blogger Evan said...

This is a sensitive subject, but tell me how Indians deal with the fact that it was foreign imperialists, the British, who created India as a unified country. Is that a wound in the Indian psyche, or is it assimilated into a larger view in which it makes sense and is ok with the Indians?

The Indian PM recently gave a speech in which he indicated that much of India (including secularism) is based on a pre-imperial heritage, but he graciously acknowledges the British contribution to India c. 2005. As conciliatory historical myth-making goes it's a pretty good speech.

 

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