Monday, August 22, 2005

About my Norwegian Post

I got some questions about my very long post in Norwegian. We have national elections in three weeks, and I wrote about twelve topics that I'd like the media to discuss. I also did something controversial, by emailing this to journalists in all major national media, both newspapers and TV. This was meant as a deliberate slap in the face to the press, who do not do their job properly. They have done nothing to uncover the truth about the rape statistics, although they did report it themselves four years ago. And they did not protest when 85% of our MPs weakened our legal rights in fundamental ways, even though they are quick to cry their crocodile tears when other countries draft tougher laws against Islamic terrorists. By emailing this information, I also made sure that dozens of journalists know about the rape story. They will either have to report it, or they become a part of the cover-up and can kiss their journalistic credibility goodbye.

A brief summary of the twelve topics:

1. There should be no cover-up of Muslim immigrant rapes.

2. It is not acceptable that Norwegians are harassed in their own capital (native Norwegians are quietly leaving inner city Oslo due to immigrant gangs).

3. Repeal the Discrimination Act (see my post about the Norwegian Inquisition).

4. Immigration costs each of the Scandinavian countries tens of bilions in welfare every year. It's NOT good for the economy, so stop pretending it is.

5. A multicultural society is neither possible nor desirable.

6. We are witnessing the largest population shifts since the Great Migrations after the collapse of the Roman Empire. And it's destabilizing Europe in very dangerous ways.

7. Norwegians are the indigenous people of Norway. Our right to retain our cultural heritage trumps that of people who move to our country out of their own, free will. Today, it's almost the opposite.

8. Freedom of speech and immigration control should not be outsourced to faceless bureaucrats in Brussels or the UN. The people should decide who should be allowed to settle here.

9. Criticizing religions such as Islam is not racism. Non-whites are at least as racist as white Europeans, maybe more.

10. Islamic terrorism is caused by Islamic teachings, not poverty. Muslim immigration to Europe may have laid the foundations for a new world war.

11. Turkey should not be accepted into the EU, if Eurabia is to be avoided.

12. Hijab, Islamic veil, should be banned in all schools and for all public employees.


At August 22, 2005 2:17 AM, Blogger Indigo Red said...

Your list should be adopted and adapted by every thinking Western country. I have been experiencing multiculturalism here in Southern California for 20+ years and it doesn't work.

Years ago, I lived in an apartment house owned by three Swedish women who also lived there. They could not understand the race problems America had. More recently, they have told me they now understand and are very angry with the Swedish immigration policies they once supported.

At August 22, 2005 4:05 AM, Blogger RobertinArabia said...

9. Criticizing religions such as Islam is not racism. Non-whites are at least as racist as white Europeans, maybe more.

This should apply to all religions.

Comdemning Norwegian journalists for habitually suppressing uncomfortable facts about immigration and Islam is justified, but the habitual suppression of facts about any religion is equally wrong. Nicht wahr?

At August 22, 2005 7:02 AM, Blogger Zach said...

I agree with Indigo Red, this list should be adapted to all countries, because we are all facing most of the same fundamental problems.

I don't know how the political system works there in Norway, but have you considered running for office Fjordman?

At August 22, 2005 10:18 AM, Blogger Runnymede1215 said...

I guess I agree with your positions with some reservations.

"5. A multicultural society is neither possible nor desirable."

Doesn't that depend on the cultures? I can't see for example that chinese, hindu, jewish, african or hispanic culture should be much of a problem in todays world.

Cultures are simply memetic systems, ideas and their resulting behaviours. Some ideas are better than others, some get along, some don't.

Basically I believe that the only one that is not compatible with any other culture what so ever today is Islam.

But for sure, the ones that should decide who should be let in to their country is the norweigans.

It's their home, and they should be given the necessary information to make an informed and rational decision of their country's future. Today that's not the case.

A country can be easily compared to a house, the ones living there should be told all the facts about existing and potential newcomers and guests, they should have the right to say "no", and to demand the expulsion of unpleasant newcomers.

FOMI, a swedish forum against islamization

At August 22, 2005 1:34 PM, Blogger PD111 said...


What you posted, I posted on LGF some 3 years ago.

This is the way it starts out.

An Existential Threat
When muslims first come into a country, either illegally or by immigration, they rely on our kindness, good nature and tolerance for their outmoded life styles. As their numbers increase some muslims start up the Jihad. The moderate muslims plead for tolerance. We, in our ignorance or good nature, heed their pleas and even fight on their behalf. The muslims increase in numbers, some now citizens, and consequently the jihad picks up, as they are quite confident that they cannot be deported. All the while we are accused of islamophobia or worse.

Once a near majority is achieved by muslims, then the natives who are a minority by now, start to face real persecution. Many leave the country that has been their native land.

This has been the case all over the world, where muslims have become a majority due to huge demographic growth, fuelled by immigration and a very high birth rate. Pakistan, Kashmir, Bosnia, Kosovo, Turkey, parts of the West Bank of "Palestine" - Christians are being driven out, the whole of the ME, etc etc. This is the case now, in parts of Indonesia such as the Moluccas and Sulawesi. Nigeria is now in the beginning of the last phase.

I can think of no exceptions.

I have two great fears.

1. Demographics and our democratic way of life, will lead to the subjugation of Western civilisation, with all that entails for all non-muslims.

2. We will react violently in the event of a massive terrorist outrage, and start a process of mass deportations. This will start a civil war and the winner will take all. I'm fairly sure that we will in an outright confrontation. However, while this goes on here in the West, Christians in muslim countries will be massacred outright in revenge.

I really feel sad, that it has come to this. After thousands of years of conflict, we in the West had begun to enjoy the tolerant civilisation that we have brought about. Now all this is in peril, as the forces of the state, and the retrograde nature of islam, step by tiny step, start to extinguish freedoms we have taken for granted.

To act on this danger, we have embarked on military campaigns abroad, but the real threat exists within the West itself. The rising Muslim population, both from immigration and high demographic growth rate, poses a threat far greater then any number of future 9/11s. The jubilation and glee among Muslims, even within the West itself, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, should concentrate our minds. Any prudent policy dictates that we protect our own house first, rather then costly and ineffective foreign adventures.

This threat I believe is so great, that despite our abhorrence of the idea, we should stop all immigration of Muslims, both primary and secondary. Instead of the bogus Muslim asylum seekers from Muslim countries, we should offer hope, help and asylum to the terribly subjugated, intimidated and spiritually broken Christians in Islamic countries. These people need our assistance more then any. For reasons of cultural affinity, they will readily integrate and assimilate in the West. They and their descendents are unlikely to pose an existential threat, now or in the future, to the culture and the freedoms we take so much for granted.

Some papers in Britain, such as The Daily Express and the Daily Mail, are now demanding the removal of illegal immigrants and bogus asylum seekers - who are in the main muslim. Some of the London bombers were asylum seekers, soaking Britain for £15,000 a year on benefits alone.

It is sad that it has come to this. But if actions are not taken soon, then civil wars, the very worst type of war, are a distinct possibility, and then we all will be losers, winners and losers alike.


At August 22, 2005 3:46 PM, Blogger sissyblue said...


Excellent! I agree with Zach, YOU should run for office! The only thing I would change is to require no face covering in public AT ALL, for security reasons. You could also hand out gas masks (in case of chemical attack) and then add NO FACIAL HAIR, which would take care of the radical men also. Hee, hee,,,,

You know, I really think the cultures of the European countries are worth retaining. I love going there and mixing with the "natives" and experiencing their cultures. That's really disappearing in say, London. London has become just a big, busy, crowded city.

Why do the liberals howl like scalded cats when they see 3rd world cultures disappearing under Western influence (ie vaccinations, running water, jobs), yet as they see western culture disappear in their own lands, that's A-OK?

robertinarabia, Suppression of any facts is always wrong, about ANYTHING.

I agree with pd111 that we should allow the persecuted Christians in muslim countries to immigrate, but not the muslims, until Islam goes through it's reformation, if such a thing is possible. They need to pick out the peace stuff, like praying, and get say the violent stuff was historical and not applicable to today.

Off subject: For the Americano's, a great movie is out "The Great Raid". I saw it last night. Wow! Terrific!

At August 22, 2005 10:13 PM, Blogger Zach said...

Regarding Runnymede1215 on multiculturalism; I agree with you that multiculturalism is possible. One prime example is that of Russia.

I think it is worth point out though that while a multicultural state is possible, it is incompatible with a democratic state over the long run. Democracy actually increases conflict, because it pits one group's interests against another. Ideally, in a democratic state, issues are decided on based on which ideas are the best; in a balkanized democratic state however, issues are decided on based on how the spoils are divided up.

I think that in most modern democracies the above is not strictly true: with some bill of rights type protections, we can handle a certain small percentage of minority or foreign cultures. The problem arises when that sub-population becomes large enough to be politically significant and thus begins to create inter-group friction. Also, I say over the long term, because in the short term, the majority tries to take up the slack to ease tensions. Long term however, this is not a sustainable solution.

At August 23, 2005 7:05 AM, Blogger Vapaussoturi said...

Attention - Achtung;)

We have to remember that finns are original nation in Norway, too. But too often forgotten as a original nation in Noway, too.

Seppo Lehto

At August 23, 2005 8:47 AM, Blogger nalymov said...

I have translated your 12 demands and placed it in my Russian blog

The approach incited a lively debate, but the general attitude is sympathetic.

At August 24, 2005 2:53 AM, Blogger Runnymede1215 said...

zach, it's true that multiculturalism and democracy is a difficult combination.

Democracy have this inherent problem even without multiculturalism. In Europe right now, the younger generations being forced to pay an unreasonable amount of money to the older generations who can get excellent pensions by their voting power.

The solution should be to limit the authority of the state and of the majority. The only morally legitimate function of the state is to protect the individuals against each other, to protect against the initiation of force.

Let the state take care of national defense, the police and the courts, and let the citizens take care of their own business.

FOMI, a swedish forum against islamization

At September 26, 2005 8:56 PM, Blogger afgaani said...

Tarja Halonen is a niggerlover

Islamistics, niggers etc out of Europe :
Vierasperäistämisestämme eli kansakuntaamme uhkaavasta vaarasta tiedoite

Seppo Lehto Tampere Suomi suomalaisille miehitettyjä alueitamme myöden

Occupier Russia out of our territories!


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