Friday, June 24, 2005

One of the most humiliating moments of Oprah's life

I've heard rumors she was rejected because the French have so much trouble with North African immigrants:

One of the most humiliating moments of Oprah's life

French luxury store Hermes has apologised to American television celebrity Oprah Winfrey for turning her away from one of its Paris boutiques last week, saying when she came knocking the store was closed for a public relations event. The U.S. talk show host and "an entourage" unsuccessfully tried to enter a Hermes boutique on the posh Rue du Faubourg Saint-Honore. "People were in the store and they were shopping. Oprah was at the door and she was not allowed into the store," said Gayle King, a friend of Winfrey who witnessed the incident. "Oprah describes it herself as 'one of the most humiliating moments of her life.'" "She's really OK. Her position is, 'I will shop where people appreciate my business, and I don't believe that any longer includes Hermes,'" King said. Normal closing time is 6:30 p.m., though high-end shops are known to make exceptions for celebrities. On that particular night, however, ``a private public relations event was being prepared inside,'' the Hermes statement said. "Hermes regrets not having been able to welcome Madame Oprah Winfrey and the people accompanying her to give them all the attention and service that Hermes is committed to giving each of its clients in the world," said the statement released Tuesday.

21 Comments:

At June 24, 2005 7:42 PM, Blogger the adventuress said...

I don't think Oprah would have been refused service in even the remotest, most backward village in Mississippi.

I hope the lesson of this incident is not lost on those Americans (most especially, people who read Oprah's book club list) who always look to Europe as being far more enlightened than evil Amerikkka.

 
At June 24, 2005 10:41 PM, Blogger erp said...

She could have had many many more of such incidences had she been born in South Africa as she wished she had.

 
At June 24, 2005 11:22 PM, Blogger Don Miguel said...

Oprah loves Palestinian terrorists, so I'm sure she get could get service at the Hermes store there.

 
At June 24, 2005 11:49 PM, Blogger CH said...

Opera? Who iss dat? Wee franch do not hear of Opera? Is Italienne, n'est ce pas?

Go into any store in France wearing a suit and tie, and clerks will be throwing themselves at you. Wear "normal" clothing and prepare to be ignored. Be black and prepare to be rudely ignored...

 
At June 25, 2005 2:50 AM, Blogger Ethnocentrist said...

Be black and prepare to be rudely ignored...

That is my understanding of the French as well. Now, how they got to >20% Muslim/African is beyond me and if anyone has a valid explanation, I would love to hear it.

 
At June 25, 2005 11:38 AM, Blogger Bogmaster said...

The problem is very simple: Paris ( France ) has become swarmed with North Africans that work little compared to other french people and therefore have little money, and who also have atrocious crime rates. What it means, unfortunately, is that if above a certain percentage of your customers are North Africans, your store will likely suffer and/or go bust. That's the problem - people from Northern Africa are a lot less likely to buy something expensive and far more likely to steal it. Saying the french have some irrational hatred for North Africans or anyone who looks like them is just a way over oversimplifying the problem. A bit like american TV-shows often do, actually.

As for failing to recognize trash-TV-queen Operah, well, that's just one of the things I love about the french. They actually show educated and intelligent people on the tube, not amoeba-level, lowest denominator stupidifiers like Operah. The last time I looked at french TV they had an interview of a nuclear physicist talking about quarks and quantum level mechanics for half an hour straight whilst smiling smugly. I've watched a lot more american TV than I've watched french TV, but I never remember a hard science professor being interviewed on US TV about his work for more than five minutes straight. Or for any length of time, for that matter.

 
At June 25, 2005 2:31 PM, Blogger CH said...

Halvorh:The problem is very simple:
Halvorh: is just a way over oversimplifying the problem

Ok, is it simple or isn't it?

Halvorh:As for failing to recognize trash-TV-queen Operah, well, that's just one of the things I love about the french. They actually show educated and intelligent people on the tube, not amoeba-level, lowest denominator stupidifiers like Operah

You love the elitist and condescending french government with their staterun television, where they emit programs that only a handfull of people are interessted in watching?
Are you calling millions of people amoebas? Do you feel that you are educated and intelligent enough to make decisions for other people? If so, there is a presidental election around the corner in France, you might be a good candidate..

Btw, how many black people have their own television show in France?

 
At June 25, 2005 4:15 PM, Blogger Bogmaster said...

On simplicity: We could argue about semantics, but allow me rephrase myself for the sake of clarity: Blaming this incident on an irrational dislike for anyone from North Africa or anyone who looks like they're from NA is unreasonable, because negative reactions towards those people can be fully explained by their crime rates and buying power.

Your following questions are either based on false premises, and/or they require answers that are several pages long to do them any justice. Whether or not watching dumb TV-shows will make viewers dumb, if the french are being condescending or just realistic about mankind are the kinds of questions you seriously can't expect me to give a good answer to in the comments-section of a blog.

As to your final point, the US has a large percentage of black inhabitants, around 13% of the total population, mainly stemming from importing their ancestors as slaves. France however, has a black population of under one percent. So it's not too strange that no blacks have their own TV-show in France. I'm not an expert on french media, but I know that one of the national channels, Soir 3, at present has a black presenter in the main evening news.

Thanks for recommending me for french prez. I'll think about it if things start to slow down. There's another thing I like about the french - any successful frenchman has his own mistress. If he doesn't, he'll be looked at with suspicion: either he's queer ( not so bad these days ), impotent ( and you know what they say: you gotta have a fucker in the Whitehouse, etc. ) or even worse, some kind of moralistic pervert out to ruin the fun for everyone else. In fact I would bet that getting blown in the office by an intern or any other female is more of a norm than an exception for leaders in France. And nobody cares. How could you possibly dislike a country like that?

 
At June 25, 2005 6:08 PM, Blogger bordergal said...

Everyone here seems to overlook the fact that the store was closed.
Somehow I don't think that Hermes would have let me in after hours either, despite my blond/blue coloring. Heck, the majority of people in the world, regardless of color, can't afford to buy anything in that store even when it IS open.

This is merely an example of celebrityitis, which has the following symptoms, an enlarged sense of entitlement, an ego that requires constant massaging, and the ability to delay personal gratification at the level of the average two year old.

Oprah needs to get over herself.

 
At June 25, 2005 7:05 PM, Blogger Ethnocentrist said...

Everyone here seems to overlook the fact that the store was closed.

That little fact won't stop Oprah from having an hour long show on how Hermes is racist and how racism is still so prevalent in society. The audience will also chime in appropriately and show their shock and disgust as they try and unruffle the feathers of their "unbiased" and slighted host. Yes, I see it now and can hardly wait.

 
At June 25, 2005 9:51 PM, Blogger CH said...

Halvorh:"Blaming this incident on an irrational dislike for anyone from North Africa or anyone who looks like they're from NA is unreasonable, because negative reactions towards those people can be fully explained by their crime rates and buying power"

So it is in fact rational to be prejudice?

Halvorh:"Your following questions are either based on false premises, and/or they require answers that are several pages long to do them any justice."

The first one was a yes or no question. That the french governement is elitistic and condescending, is a fact. That most french television channels are staterun is a fact. In your own words you described a tv program that a handfull of people would find interesting. The only thing left to answer was yes or no.

The second was rethorical, seeing as it was exactly what you were doing.

The third, well, it was a prerequisite for joining the presidential election. I can not recommend you to join unless you actually answer the question positivly.. Seeing as it seems you believe I already have recommended you to join the elections, I take it the answer is positive.

On the tv-show, Let's try how many africans have their own tv show in France. Then the precentage of the population should increase drastically...

 
At June 25, 2005 10:28 PM, Blogger Kledo said...

Ch,

Are you calling millions of people amoebas? Do you feel that you are educated and intelligent enough to make decisions for other people?

That's exactly what leftist (if you are from Europe) or liberals (if you are from USA) are doing. Congratulation, you have described their manners perfectly. It simply doesn't need anything to add.

Btw, how many black people have their own television show in France?

In Europe each minority could choose between many satellite channels in their languages. The obvious result is that many of them don't understand European languages and they are able only to cash cheques sent in by social departments. Of course, they are uncapable of getting work.

So it is in fact rational to be prejudice?

I vote for prejudice. Not to enter "no go" area because of you prejudice could be the only thing that could save your life. Simple as that. :)

BTW could you show me EU governemnt I could be proud of?

No offence, of course, but you are seeking very hard quest.

 
At June 26, 2005 1:14 AM, Blogger erp said...

Wanna bet that a future Oprah program will feature complimentary Hermes scarves for the audience.

 
At June 26, 2005 6:59 PM, Blogger CH said...

Kledo:I vote for prejudice. Not to enter "no go" area because of you prejudice could be the only thing that could save your life. Simple as that.

Knowing that an area is dangerous is not prejudice. I know Iraq is a dangerous country right now, that does not mean I think all iraqis are dangerous people.

Kledo:BTW could you show me EU governemnt I could be proud of?

Well, first I have to know what makes you proud...

 
At June 26, 2005 8:24 PM, Blogger Kledo said...

Ich, it is pure sophism, nothing more.

When you will come to such a place in the city where are you for the first time...

Please....

What I'm being proud of?

unemployment rate
economical growth / trends
criminality
number of "no go" areas
number of multicultural riots

 
At June 26, 2005 8:36 PM, Blogger Kledo said...

Sorry for those stupid mistakes in ortography. I'm ashamed of myself, really ...

 
At June 26, 2005 9:57 PM, Blogger CH said...

Kledo:When you will come to such a place in the city where are you for the first time...

Please....


Ok I translate this into two possible questions:

1. If I am in a city for the first time, how will I know a zone is a "no-go" zone, a dangerous zone.

One can ask at the tourist information. They will answer you. Believe it or not.

2. If I wander into such a place by chance, due to the fact that I have no prior knowledge of the city I am in, do I not prejudice and go the other way, once I see all those darkish people?

Well, I am glad you asked. I have done that so many times I don't even remember all the places. Let me see, backstreets of Marseille (only caucasian at 2 am), Paris ghetto, area around south train station in Brussels (several times, don't see what the fuzz is about), completly drunk all over amsterdam 4 in the morning (couldn't find my hotel), to mention some. Most of which are "no-go" zones for the locals, I found out later.

A good rule anywhere is, try not to look like a tourist, buy a pocket camera.


As to being proud of some EU government by those variables. Maybe the Czech republic?

 
At June 26, 2005 10:45 PM, Blogger Kledo said...

completly drunk all over amsterdam 4 in the morning (couldn't find my hotel), to mention some.

Wow, you are a friend of Russian roulette. But if you are in favour of adrenaline sports ...

As to being proud of some EU government by those variables. Maybe the Czech republic?

Choose whichever governement you want, but I guess the Czech one is not really that one you will be very familiar with.

Ehm ehm, shall I interpret your particular choice as an attempt to stalk me? Is it important to you to know from which country I am even if I prefer to keep my privacy?

Or shall I even to interpret it as an attempt to intimade me as an opponent? And if yes, could I know your reason to do so?

I'm looking forward to read your answers.

 
At June 27, 2005 1:06 PM, Blogger CH said...

kledo,

It isn't russian rulette, it is logic, even bad people are drunk at 4 am..

The czech republic does have some improving statistics: economic growth and unemployment numbers for last year and this year. Foreign investment is supposed to increase with their newfound EU membership.

As for your paranoid outburst, you need help, please go see a shrink...

 
At June 27, 2005 3:34 PM, Blogger Kledo said...

CH, mind your manners.

With respect to crime statistics I have to clasify your being drunken and lost in the problematic city part deep in the night as some form of adrenaline sport.

But obviously I'm not your mother ... :)

 
At June 27, 2005 3:51 PM, Blogger CH said...

kledo: CH, mind your manners.

Excuse me? This is laughable coming from the same person that accuses people of stalking if they mention a European country..

I mean it, you evidently need help.

 

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