Friday, June 03, 2005

Nørrebro clams up on gang shootings

An update on this post. Nørrebro is a quarter in Copenhagen with an extremely high concentration of immigrants. It has been unofficially declared an "Islamic state" by some of its residents:

Nørrebro clams up on gang shootings

Police investigations of recent shootings and gang violence on the streets of Copenhagen are going slow, as members of the Nørrebro quarter's immigrant community with connections with criminal gangs have clammed up, the police said. In recent weeks, two men have been killed in street shootings. An injured gang leader was subsequently freed by a group of masked men from the State Hospital, where he was under police surveillance. Police said the silence in Nørrebro about the incidents was deafening, and they were replying in kind. 'We are still investigating many things in relation to the cases, but none of it will be released to the public for the time being. The criminals are not to know what we are doing, and we know from experience that some information can harm the investigation, when we talk about these extremely closed groups,' Chief Inspector Ove Dahl told daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten. Shootings and gang violence on the streets of Copenhagen in recent weeks demonstrate that the city's plan to integrate disadvantaged teenagers has failed utterly, Social Democratic councillor and integration spokesman Thor Grønlykke said on Thursday. Grønlykke said his own majority in the city council had not managed to carry out its plan to integrate disadvantaged ethnic minority youth in the immigrant quarter of Nørrebro and prevent them from forming criminal gangs. After violence in the neighbourhood and a killing of an Italian tourist in 2003, three prominent Copenhagen councillors presented a detailed action plan to prevent violence from breaking out again, including a dialogue with troublemakers and their families.


At June 03, 2005 5:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now the islamic leaders have begun talking about bloodmoney, imposing their evermore barbaric customs into a civilized society: (in Danish).

At June 03, 2005 8:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The article you refer to is not about blood money, it is about an imam who urge the family of a murdered 24 years old man not to seek revenge, but to forgive.

It is quite obvious that many judges in Texas has a lot to learn from this imam.

The same imam suggested that the family of the killer should pay the family of the victim 200 000 DKR (this is said in a different article than the one you refer to). This is of course not a good idea, as our society usually let the courts hand out blood money.

At June 03, 2005 9:54 PM, Blogger Rune said...

Anonymous, why do you say that? That is not correct. Here’s a translation of the relevant section:

Chocked minister

Minister of integration, Rikke Hvilshøj, is deeply disturbed by a proposal from Imam Abu Laban that a payment of DKR. 200,000 [$35,000] of blood money should stop the gang revenge in Copenhagen.

That would be like implementing juridical procedures from the middle ages, and it’s harmful for the whole integration process warns the minister.

“I’m profoundly shocked. That an Imam like Abu Laban, publicly calls for blood money as the solution for gang problems, that is very harmful for the integration. We have system wherein guilty are convicted and wherein there is a possible of fined – but after a conviction. I feel myself send back to the middle ages with all this talk of blood money. I can not reject this suggestion with too strong words.”

Some more on the Imam Ahmad Abu Laban, as he is properly called.
In his Fridays sermon preached he mourned the victims of the 9/11 terrorists attacks in New York “with dry tears”.
When Theo van Gogh was killed, his response was public to criticise the murders and privately in the Moslem community to congratulate them. Later he called fire and brimstone on the European free speech for showing the Submission movie.
When Amina Lawal from Nigeria was condemned to stoning after the proper application of the Sharia law he refused, despite numerous requests, to condemn the sentencing. And he still maintains Denmark should respect the Sharia law.
Abu Laban is behind an internet site wherein Moslem parents are admonished that they have a responsibility to raised their children with the right understanding of Jihad and a training in weapons use.
etc. btw. This it one of the more acceptable Imams in Denmark – often put forward as a shining example of a moderate Moslem.

At June 03, 2005 9:57 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Rune: Do you mind if I use that translation as a post here?

At June 03, 2005 10:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

rune: The link given by crywolf still points to the article I described. The article translated by you has a different url.

At June 03, 2005 11:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


What's exactly that this Texas judge can learn from the learned Imam?


At June 03, 2005 11:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous wrote: "The link given by crywolf still points to the article I described. The article translated by you has a different url."

This is not correct, as the article my url points to contains everything in the translated piece by rune (the latter half of the article). Read the whole article, how difficult can it be?

At June 04, 2005 12:25 AM, Blogger Rune said...

Anonymous: I’m actually fairly puzzled that you say that – because the section I translated is there in crywolf’s link clear as daylight. I don’t know what is behind this strange misunderstanding? This is the link we are talking about right:

And this is the section from that link in Danish:
Chokeret minister
Integrationsminister Rikke Hvilshøj (V) er dybt rystet over et forslag fra imam Abu Laban om at udbetale 200.000 kroner i blodpenge for at få stoppet bandeopgør på Nørrebro.
Det svarer til at indføre middelalderlige retstilstande i Danmark, og det er skadeligt for hele integrationsprocessen, advarer ministeren.
- Jeg er dybt chokeret. Det er direkte skadeligt for integrationen, at en imam som Abu Laban går ud og opfordrer til blodpenge som løsning på bandeopgør. Vi har et system, hvor skyldige bliver dømt, og hvor der også er mulighed for erstatning, men det kræver, at der har været en dom. Jeg føler mig hensat til middelalderen, når man på den måde begynder at tale blodpenge. Jeg kan ikke tage nok afstand fra det forslag, siger Rikke Hvilshøj til Ritzau.

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Fjordman. Sure go ahead and use anything I write. You don’t have to ask in the future. Probably want to fix the bit up I wrote before. It was hurriedly written, and full of syntax errors.

Abu Laban is a piece of work. He is born in Palestine. Has been kicked out of half a dozen Middle Eastern countries for having too extremists views. And now he’s in Denmark. Where he has lived for 20 years, without having learned the Danish language. A right paragon of integration. He has also lamented the cruel fate of having to live in a country where if he were to become ill, he would be treated in hospital by a kufur. His car was fixed by kufur mechanics. His municipal apartment was administrated by kufurs. He has said Osama bin Laden is a freedom fighter. That he has much sympathy for some conspiracy theories expounded by some French journalists, wherein the CIA is revealed as the real mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks and further that the neoconservatives and Rumsfeld wants a doomsday scenario.

Denmark has been blessed with a string of excellent Imams. From memory: There were the two who said girls were to be circumcised if they were pure and respectable, uncircumcised girls were dirty and no honest man would ever have such a defective girl.
Then we had the one mused philosophically that if he saw a Moslem girl without the Islamic veil being kicked or beaten, it was probably best just to let her have it, so she could learn her lesson.
Another one in his Friday sermon shouted out that any women who wore make-up, perfume or modern clothes or partook in everyday life out in society was no better than a disgusting slut. She would burn forever and ever in hell.
And lest not forget the Imam who in an interview said women not properly veiled were like trash. It was like peddling cheap wares on the public square, for all to see. And later in a televised interview he clarified his opinion by saying, if such an unveiled women were to be assaulted or raped she had only herself to blame. She had it coming.

The incredulous thing is Denmark has very lenient immigration rules for Imams. They can waltz right in without any qualifications whatsoever.

At June 04, 2005 12:46 AM, Blogger Crusader Rabbit said...

The person who wrote this: "It is quite obvious that many judges in Texas has a lot to learn from this imam." is completely ignorant of criminal law in Texas.

Judges in Texas have never had the right to assess the death penalty. That right has always been reserved to citizen juries in Texas. Judges have held the right to reduce the penalty, but never to assess it.

Recently the US supreme court has forced other states to adopt this practice.

Furthermore this article is about an imam discouraging revenge murder. Why does he have to do that? I suggest it is because revenge murders are normally considered acceptable in his community, whereas they are strictly against the law in Texas.

At June 04, 2005 12:49 AM, Blogger Rune said...

And as always Islamism and anti-Semitism walk hand in hand. Here’s Chief inspector Per Larsen, Jyllands-Posten (newspaper), 23. Nov, 2003

If you as a Jew insist on walking around Nørrebro, then very likely you’ll run into problems

The corpse of the man killed after the bar brawl, has been flown to Jordan. It is the hope of the family that the Israelis will allow this good and respectable (-while not engaging in gang fights, violent attacks and attempted murder, cannabis trade, etc. understood) this up-standing man his last resting place on the West Bank from whence he and his whole family came. The wounded brother after being busted out of police custody is still charged with violent attack. And he was just released from prison that very same week, after being suspected of involvement in another heavily armed attack by a gang firing guns and submachine guns in another part of Copenhagen – killing one innocent bystander. Meanwhile the family, including a small child, of the man shooting in self defence has been removed by the police for their own protection and sent into hiding some undisclosed place. It is estimated their lives were severely threatened. Oh. Yes, We so value our Palestinian immigrants for the cultural enrichment & colour they bring to our society!

- and it wouldn’t be Scandinavia if the Tax department didn’t chime in. Apparently any blood money much be declared and taxed. :/

At June 04, 2005 4:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This imam wants Denmark to recognise sharia law in a roundabout fashion. It is always the same. A little bit here, then a little more, and before you know it, sharia is all over the land.

Islam is medieval even by the standards of medieval Europe, as it is an invention of medieval Arabia. No reformation within, has meant, that it is still stuck in that time period. Cultural Evolution, unlike in other human societies, has played no part in the muslim community. The tragedy for muslims is that they also are stuck in that time warp. Now they wish to drag us back to that place in time.

With Islam in the West, it is "Back to the past for the future", for all, though not as entertaining as the films.



Have you come across this site?

At June 04, 2005 5:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Appropos of hate crime legislation to protect islam in the West, just look at this

UNCHR: Protecting Religion– Specifically Islam

So now freedom of expression is under attack by the UNHCR. This is going to be picked by our own political elite, to come up with some legislation to "protect" muslims, the koran, allah, and most particularly, mohammed, from any serious criticism.


At June 04, 2005 5:35 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Thanks DP111, I made a post about it. It's time to dump the UN.

At June 04, 2005 10:00 PM, Blogger Rune said...

The Imam gets the amount ($35,000) by estimating what 100 camels would be in today’s currency and accounting for inflation. Since there’re not so many camels in Denmark but a whole lot of pigs, at least he ought have used 100 pigs as his base – but I recon that wouldn’t do.


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