Tuesday, November 15, 2005

Spengler: Why Western governments fall apart

Spengler of the Asia Times doesn't truly understand Islam. I think he's better at criticizing the West itself:

Why Western governments fall apart

Never have the governments of the old Atlantic alliance appeared as weak as they do today. President George W Bush, his popularity ruined and his political agenda junked, is boxed into a corner, but his position seems enviable compared to that of British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who just lost a decisive battle over anti-terror measures. But both appear strong compared to President Jacques Chirac, who has let France slip into civil unrest. Germany, despite last week's appointment of Angela Merkel as federal chancellor, in effect has no government, for the parallelogram of political forces neutralizes all parties. The leaders of the West seem to somnambulate through affairs of state, oblivious to the disaster around them. Only in Beijing and Tokyo do we find strong governments in powerful nations. Perhaps it is the fact that the leaders of the West mirror the qualities of the people who voted for them. That leads to a simple interpretation of the general crisis of Western politics, namely, that the people of the West, as it were, are the wrong people in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is not the leaders of the West per se, but rather the voters who put them in office, who comprise the problem. The reason that the leaders of France can offer no solution to the present crisis is that no solution exists, given the present demography and predilections of the population of France.

Mark Steyn: Bicultural Europe is doomed

Whatever their problems, most Islamic countries have the advantage of beginning any evolution into free states from the starting point of relative societal cohesion. By contrast, most European nations face the trickier task of trying to hold on to their freedom at a time of increasing societal incoherence. But the Continent isn't multicultural so much as bicultural. There are ageing native populations, and young Muslim populations, and that's it: "two solitudes", as they say in my beloved Quebec. If there's three, four or more cultures, you can all hold hands and sing We are the World. But if there's just two - you and the other - that's generally more fractious. Bicultural societies are among the least stable in the world, especially once it's no longer quite clear who is the majority and who is the minority - a situation that much of Europe is fast approaching, as you can see by visiting any French, Austrian, Belgian or Dutch maternity ward. In a democratic age, you can't buck demography - except through civil war. The Yugoslavs figured that out. In the 30 years before the meltdown, Bosnian Serbs had declined from 43 per cent to 31 per cent of the population, while Bosnian Muslims had increased from 26 per cent to 44 per cent.

So Europe's present biculturalism makes disaster a certainty. One way to avoid it would be to go genuinely multicultural, to broaden the Continent's sources of immigration beyond the Muslim world. But a talented ambitious Chinese or Indian or Chilean has zero reason to emigrate to France, unless he is consumed by a perverse fantasy of living in a segregated society that artificially constrains his economic opportunities yet imposes confiscatory taxation on him in order to support an ancien regime of indolent geriatrics. You can understand why the Quai d'Orsay is relaxed about Iran becoming the second Muslim nuclear power. As things stand, France is on course to be the third. You heard it here first. You probably won't hear it on Mr Dassier's station at all.


At November 15, 2005 2:36 AM, Blogger talnik said...

Spengler has the same attitude about the rest of the world that the French did a month ago! Let's hope nothing embarrassing happens in Asia for the next century.

As far as the US absorbing immigrants into its elite: OK, but generally only by the second generation. Who does he (?) think builds houses over here?

Anti-intellectual? I'm fine with that; an intellectual is someone who prefers theory over reality. Also unemployable (in any meaningful work), dull at parties, pompous and conceited (psst, sounds like...Spengler! So that's what a Spengler is!).

As far as Mark Steyn, another one out of the ball park (oops, another anti-intellectual comment).

P.S. I'm gonna miss you, Fjordman.

At November 15, 2005 3:35 AM, Blogger AtlasShrugs.com said...

Hey Handsome,

Hate to go OT so early but I had to ask you about the following news item;

Norwegians have confidence in the United Nations
Aftenposten Mon, 14 Nov 2005 4:05 AM PST
No other country in Europe has more confidence in the United Nations (UN) than Norway. More than 78 percent of Norwegians polled say they continue to think highly of the UN, compared to just 44 percent of Europeans in general.

What a bunch of wild and crazy guys!(get oiutta there while you still can)

xoxo, Pamela

At November 15, 2005 5:43 AM, Blogger sissyblue said...

I really hate sociology majors, or psychology majors, or any from the liberal arts for that matter.

"An intellectual is anyone who prefers theory over reality" Give me a break. I think "An intellectual is anyone who prefers reality over truth".

Intellectuals are scientists. Scientists are people who deal with physical phenomena, NOT theories!!!!!

Scientists are people you would want to build your bridges and skyscrapers, operate on your heart, ensure the safety of your prescriptions, design your software, and build your computer chips.

Everything else, theories, are MOONBATS!!! BEWARE OF MOONBATS!!!
You have to fight moonbats where ever you find them. I'm serious!

Moonbats will always:

1. KNow more than you.
2. Have NO facts to support their theories (sometimes it will even contradict their theories.. ie. communism)
3. Try to change the arguement to ad hominen. ALWAYS!



Need I go on?

YOu get the picture..

At November 15, 2005 7:35 AM, Blogger ik said...

The most important thing that is being ignored is the role of the media in all this.

If people were better informed this would not be happening.

Chinese and Japanese leaders have freedom of action because the ruling elites have maintained control over their media - Yes I realize freedom of speech and all that jazz - but since when did hostility to the nation become part of freedom of speech.

Unless and until the media is brought back in line it will be impossible to deal with any problem. East or West is immaterial - in a busy age the media has a huge amount of power with sound bites - a small number of people taking over the media can turn elections around.

Fjordman, how about a workshop on the media. This battle with the media if won would make it far easier to deal with Islam. You had sent that election manifesto to journalists in Norway - should we guess what the result was :(

At November 15, 2005 3:52 PM, Blogger talnik said...

Hey sissyblue:
Please don't think I'm arguing, but if scientists are intellectuals, and the U.S. is anti-intellectual, why do so many students go to the U.S. to become scientists? Is Chomsky a scientist? Was Marx (OK, I'll concede on Harpo);-)?

At November 15, 2005 4:31 PM, Blogger tefta said...

talnik said... Who does he (?) think builds houses over here?

If you live in the U.S., you must know that building houses is done by skilled and in the most part licensed workers in the building trades who are very well paid and enjoy the same high standard of living as other Americans. I guess you never heard the joke about the plumber, who dropped out of medical school because he made more money as a plumber than a doctor and kept better hours than a banker.

Many of the immigrants coming here have no skills above the ability to know where their best bet for a better life for themselves and their families lies. Those willing to work hard can jump right into the melting pot and
many first generation immigrants do rise to from their humble beginnings as do many more second and third generation immigrants who are indistinguishable from the rest of us who just got here a generation or two earlier.

European elites can lecture us until their throats and pens (pun intended) run dry. We'll continue to go our own way because and here it is, we really don't care what the rest of the world thinks!

At November 15, 2005 6:59 PM, Blogger Don Miguel said...


We actually call ourselves engineers, but I get your point.


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