Thursday, November 17, 2005

Bishop critical of asylum policy

My position is usually that a revitalization of Christianity would be good for Europe. But I occasionally get my doubts when I see what a pathetic bunch of dhimmis many church leaders really are. The Swedish Archbishop has even called for "giving more public space" to Islam, at the same time as Muslims are attacking churches in France and Christian symbols even in Scandinavia. Church leaders are at the forefront of calling for making Muslim immigration easier:

Bishop critical of asylum policy

Bishop Finn Wagle of the Norwegian Lutheran State Church has criticised Norway's policy on asylum seekers. He adds that the church also has an important role to play in integration. The bishop points to the fact that many asylum seekers have had their application decided by the Alien's Board without themselves having been present. In Wagle's opinion there has been an unacceptable curtailment of the interpretation of what is considered "strong humanitarian considerations". He says this has gone so far that there is no longer room for humanitarian considerations. He now hopes the Government will look closely at the practice. The bishop points to the fact that the challenges are increasing in all of Europe, not the least in France. The solution must be greater generosity and better integration through work, housing and community efforts, Wagle says. He adds that the church also has a great task in the integration.

Church Leaders Call for Asylum Amnesty

Writing in the influential Stockholm daily “Dagens Nyheter” the heads of the largest Christian churches in Sweden call for amnesty for the thousands of rejected asylum-seekers who have gone underground in this country.

Archbishop Says Asylum Nearly Non-Existent

The head of the Lutheran Church of Sweden has strongly criticized the government’s asylum policies. In an interview with the newspaper “Dagens Nyheter” Archbishop K. G. Hammar also comes out in support of groups which hide refugees to prevent them from being expelled from the country. The head of the former state church says that Swedish refugee policies have deteriorated so much over the past ten years that the right of asylum has more or less disappeared here.


At November 17, 2005 10:18 PM, Blogger Hal said...

God only knows what the urge is to destroy crosses.

There seems to be some bizarre cross-hate by non-Christian Abrahamic religions that periodically flares up.

The Muslims go through cemeteries knocking down crosses in cemeteries (but not other headstones!)as your article noted.

For Jews in Israel crosses are so frightening that they do not even let their children see or use the plus sign (+) in school to do mathematics. It is absent from their math books. It performs some kind of magical hypnosis on children, I guess.

At November 17, 2005 11:02 PM, Blogger Franze said...

I am a catholic, and the Catholic Church are converting muslims in Africa, in Europe, however, is more complicated because people live like God didn´t exist, they only want to flee from the reality.
But if muslims don´t leave islam, we will have the problem always. Greetings

At November 17, 2005 11:48 PM, Blogger Esther said...


Your confusing cross-hatred with cross-fear. I think Jews have been terrorized enough under the cross that they have a right to feel frightened by it. How many Christians have been killed, tortured and forced to convert in the name of the Star of David?

This does not mean Jews have an urge to destroy crosses. Any Christian can feel comfortable in Israel walking around with a cross, visiting the Christian places of worship without fear of being harassed. Christian cemeteries are not vandalized just for being Christian.

Of all three "abrahamic" religions, Judaism is the one who has not spent the past two thousand years trying to forcibly convert any non-believer that stood in the way.

And in case it isn't obvious - there are *still* Christians who feel it is their duty and obligation to save the Jews from damnation, all for the cross. Enough so that the State of Israel had to pass a law against missionizing. Luring little kids is not underneath those people, and I can go on and on about it. You wonder why Jews feel uncomfortable with a cross?


At November 17, 2005 11:57 PM, Blogger Pastorius said...

I can't know what's in people's hearts, but I'm going to say this anyway. I get the feeling that their are a lot of "Bishops" and "Cardinals" and "Reverends" who do not believe in God. I think many in the traditional churches (Anglican, Catholic, Prebyterian, etc.) have intellectualized God to a point where they do not have an experience with Him anymore.

If I recall, I don't think you believe in God, so it must be strange to hear me say this. What can I mean by an "experience" of God? It must be some delusion. And, I think that's a fair thing for a person who doesn't believe in God to say. I, honestly, don't care, if an atheist thinks that I am making something up in my head to help me through the day. He's entitled to his opinion, and his opinion makes where he is coming from.

But, here's the thing, if you polled people, and asked them, which best describes your religious view,

1) you believe in God
2) you don't believe in God
3) you're not sure if God exists
4)you have a "personal relationship with Jesus Christ,"

and then also asked the same people questions about their feelings with regards to freedom vs. socialism, Islamofascism, the war on terror, etc.

I believe you would find a very high correlation between those who wish to defend Western Civilization and those who say they "have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ." And, I don't think you would find as high a correlation with the other groups.

I don't think you would find a lot of dhimmis in the American Evangelical movement.

That would be a very interesting poll to take.

At November 18, 2005 4:40 AM, Blogger stuart10242 said...


I don't know where you get your information about Israel, but its wrong and totally ridiculous. Obviously you have never been anywhere near Israel much less inside an Israeli school. I suggest before you assert facts in the future that you know what you're saying before you say them.

At November 18, 2005 9:48 AM, Blogger Esther said...

stuart10242: it is indeed common in some Jewish communities, especially in Israel.

On the other hand - there are Jewish communities, especially those out of Israel, who have never heard of it and think it as ridiculous as hal portrays.

This is really a side issue in Judaism and therefore not really worth the response.. I just think it is wrong to compare Islam and Judaism here, when Islam is busy destroying churches and tearing down crosses, while Judaism's "crime" according to hal is the wish not associate with the cross. It is wrong on the moral level both for the claim (associating offenders and victims) and for downplaying the actual issue.

The issue here is not how much other religions should or shouldn't love the cross. Any member of a different religion may decide that he doesn't want to associate with the cross. Again, I add - the cross was and is still used at the forefront of converting people of other religions.

The issue here is in what way a non-Christian may display his inaffinity with the cross.

Hal, if you put destroying crosses and not forcing people to write them on the same level, you're actually giving Islam support that it shouldn't have - "Why come to me with complaints? Jews do it too, don't they? Well.. when Jews write crosses, I will stop destroying churches."

At November 18, 2005 4:16 PM, Blogger Mother Effingby said...

What the Danes ought to do is welcome Christians from Muslim countries. They would assimilate and be good neighbors as well.


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