Friday, September 02, 2005

Swedish Cultural Symbols Targeted by Attackers

When a volcano is about to erupt, it will give out small warning signs some time in advance. Immediately before the eruption, these signs will be obvious to everybody, but even before that you can get some indication of what's going on, if you know what to look for. That's a bit how I feel like, watching the developments in Sweden. Two weeks ago in Malmö, the Scandinavian city with the highest percentage of Muslim immigrants, attackers vandalized graves in one of the city's churchyards. (see photo) They only seemed to be interested in the crosses. This week, two important buildings and tourist attractions were destroyed by fire. Somebody also tried to set fire to an old church in the area. Is somebody deliberately targeting Swedish national and cultural symbols? Who would want to do that? Anybody we know?

Fire destroys Astrid Lindgren attraction

Two of Vimmerby's most popular tourist attractions burned down in the small hours of Friday morning: Emil i Lönneberga's carpenter shed in "Katthult" and Ösjöfors paper factory. Rescue services leader Tommy Lindström said he is concerned that there is a link between the two fires. "I can't see any natural explanation as to why two such famous tourist attractions in one area should catch fire within such a short space of time," he said.

Top tourist attractions burn up

Swedes lost two of their most beloved tourist attractions on last weekend, as a fire razed two historical buildings in the southern Swedish village of Vimmerby. The birth village of Sweden’s most celebrated children’s author, Astrid Lindgren, suffered the loss of both ‘Emil in Lönneberga’s’ carpenter shed in ‘Katthult’ and Sweden’s oldest paper factory at Ösjöfors. The same night, someone tried to set an old church in the area on fire and to damage the Astrid Lindgren museum at Näs. P-O Jansson, police spokesman in Kalmar, said it was not clear in what order the fires were lit. ‘But anyone can assume that there is a link between those fires and that they were set on purpose,’ he told daily newspaper Sydsvenskan. Rescue services were first called to the handmade paper factory, but found the 230-year-old two-storey building consumed by flames and had to watch it burn down. In the middle of the rescue operations, there was an alarm from the Gibberyd estate in Rumskulla, where Lindgren’s popular children’s book Emil in Lönneberga was filmed in the beginning of the 1970s. ‘Part of the rescue team were sent there from Ösjöfors,’ said rescue services leader Tommy Lindström. ‘But we couldn’t save either the carpenter shed or the nearby outbuilding. The main building and the barn were not in danger.’

The numbers showing little opposition to immigration are heavily manipulated, for political reasons. Notice that native Swedes are supposed to be "integrated" into their own country:

Make Swedes mentors for immigrants - minister

A fifth of the Swedish public would consider being a mentor for newly arrived immigrants, according to a report from the Swedish Integration Board. Now, Minister of Equality and Integration Jens Orback says he wants to harness this enthusiasm to boost integration. "For me, this is about a reciprocal mentorship, where native Swedes should also be integrated in the new Sweden, and not just the opposite," wrote Orback on Svenska Dagbladet's debate page, Brännpunkt. In the Swedish Integration Board's report, The Integration Barometer 2004, which was presented on Thursday, it also emerged that more than half of the Swedish population is ready to contribute to helping immigrants establish themselves in society. Just 14% of Swedes say they feel negative about immigration. According to Jens Orback, that is the lowest in Europe, with 50% of Danes and 59% of Finns saying they are opposed to immigration.


At September 02, 2005 2:17 PM, Blogger John Sobieski said...

Those stats stink. I cannot believe only 14% of Swedes are against immigration.

At September 02, 2005 3:15 PM, Blogger aussie_joe said...

I was in Sweden last month. I spent most of my time around Malmo. There were few overt signs that Sweden is a country unravelling. I can read your statistics and they do raise concern but to my fresh eyes Sweden still seems to be doing OK. In fact it has greater vitality every time I go there. Sweden remains a more high trust society than say Australia.

and just to stir you up,5744,16461158%5E36375,00.html

At September 02, 2005 3:49 PM, Blogger Pastorius said...

I wonder what Aussie Joe thinks about the fact that an Australian minister was convicted of hate speech denigrating Islam for READING FROM THE KORAN during a sermon.

Keep your head down and your ass in the air, Dhimmi.

At September 02, 2005 4:12 PM, Blogger Thomas the Wraith said...

Sweden Threatened with Jihad
Videos show men training with explosives, Sweden threatened with 'suffering in the name of Allah'; former ambassador to Sweden says potential for terror infrastucture exists.

A group using the name of Iraqi jihad group Ansar al-Sunnah has released videos showing what it claims are members training for terror attacks in the Swedish countryside. ...

A large explosion is then seen in a heavily wooded area. While it is not possible to verify the location of the explosion, the scenery does appear to be northern European.

A second video by the group, which is dated August 29, contains images of men with blurred out faces setting off mock suicide explosives and roadside car bomb attacks.

It is only a matter of time.

At September 02, 2005 4:22 PM, Blogger simulev said...

Now he threatens us
Al-Qaidas leadar Ayman al-Zawahiri threatens Sweden with terror attacks.
It's a revenge for the Swedish military presence in Afghanistan.
-We have moved the war to your countries -worse attacks is to be countered with"
...Continued at Expressen today

What lovely people, ofcourse let’s give them refugee sanctuary in the western world. Any thing else is of course racism.

At September 02, 2005 5:43 PM, Blogger the adventuress said...

No problem about the crosses in the graveyards. The enlightened Swedish government will no doubt shortly make it illegal for Christians to put crosses on their gravestones, lest they offend the poor Muslims with their bigoted, insensitive actions.

At September 02, 2005 6:02 PM, Blogger Jeff said...


Did you see this article:,7340,L-3135697,00.html. I posted about it on my blog.

BTW, if you have an email address, drop me a line so we can correspond better in the future: jnorris - AT - geopoliticalreview - dot - com. Thanks.

At September 02, 2005 8:16 PM, Blogger Murcia Sin Agua said...

Estoy hasta el gorro de aguantar el racismo islámico en Europa.

Recuerden que los únicos que se lo pusimos difícil fue en Castilla (España, en 1492, que conseguimos echarles, y Osama bin Laden nos ha amenazado por ello ~11 de marzo de 2004~, ya que ha reivindicado reconquistar Al-Andalus, España, para el islam).

Otro toque que España tuvo que dar al islam fue en el Golfo de Lepanto, en donde nuestro genial escritor Miguel de Cervantes, en persona, combatió contra los musulmanes turcos.

Ya va siendo hora de que se tome conciencia en Europa que no existe un islam moderado.

Todo musumal tiene implantado el mandato de conquistar el mundo, por las buenas (dihmmi), o por las malas.

Saludos desde España.

At September 02, 2005 10:28 PM, Blogger ShrinkWrapped said...

FWIW, I share your worries about the future of Europe and beleive that our unreported (by the MSM) success in Iraq will paradoxically serve to increase the danger in Europe. I blogged on this today, and have quoted from a couple of your posts liberally.
BTW, I agree with jeff who suggested it would be helpful to have an e-mail address on your site.
My post is at:

At September 02, 2005 11:05 PM, Blogger Fjordman said...

shrink: Iraq is a failure. Islam cannot be combined with democracy.

At September 03, 2005 1:22 AM, Blogger Blåtunga said...

In response to "exposing the axis of islam":

Those stats are not true, it's just propaganda.

At September 03, 2005 1:34 AM, Blogger Herr Unswedenizer said...

Fjordman: Iraq is a failure. Islam cannot be combined with democracy.

I'd glad to say that I disagree with you on this, Fjordman. Because it means that I will get the chance for another debate with an intelligent person (since Björn Stark seems to have left the other debate).

The Bush Administration declared two major goals for the invasion of Iraq:

1) Finding and confiscating WMD
2) Turning Iraq into a democracy

The first one already failed. The second one will fail too, if we by democracy mean something like the modern democracies we have in the West, or e.g. in Taiwan. Iraq will most likely turn into an Islamic Republic just as Afghanistan (cf. "People's Republic"). If things go well, another Turkey.

So if one looks at it superficially it is a failure, yes.

But these goals are just attempts to try and rationalize the action before post-enlightment minds (such as Björn Stark for example).

To me the important things in invading Iraq has been:

1) The power demonstration. To show the enemy that we are more powerful. To show that when things get going we are not going to show weakness.

2) Creating an open front against the Jihadists in the heart of the Middle East. It's like in the cold war, open fronts are important for many reasons. E.g. it makes it obvious for anyone with eyes to see, that the "insurgents" in Iraq are agressively anti-democratic.

The two above reasons required a Middle East country to be invaded. It didn't have had to be Iraq. But I believe that Iraq was the best choice.

Then about "installing" democracy in Iraq. It's a win-win situation really, so there you have my third reason. I'll explain.

First of all I think that you underestimate the cultural strenght of the West (the persuasive power and so on...), quite as Björn Stark on the other hand, is ignorant about the cultural strenght of Islam.

We are talking about the two surviving most sucessful imperialist powers of the history of mankind. And neither of them has ever been defeated. They have lost battles of course, and "regional" wars, but neither of them ceased being powerful empires. These "cultural" empires have transformed through different stages through history, but in essence we are talking about two empires and their cultural imperialism. (Who said something about "It's only culture" in a previous thread?)

So true, just by book-keeping from historical records, we are not able to easily conclude the outcome of this match. This is the final game between the two most outstanding teams. (And there's no sudden death).

So how is this Iraq Democracy thing a win-win situation? First of all, Islam and democracy are like oil and water, yes. So in theory they cannot be combined, yes. But just look around you, how easily people accept conceptual paradoxes, in Christianity, in Socialism, in Libertarianism etc. That's how humans are, if it is needed for survival, social acceptance etc.

Even if Iraq in the end fails to be a democracy such as the Bush Administration paints it, and it will be no more than another Aghanistan or Turkey or even Pakistan, this whole process sets an important example for Muslim people around the world. Positive things have happened already in e.g. Libya and Lebanon. Remember, the most important events in current history is happening in the minds of people (this is what I wanted to tell Björn too, but I never got to that). [In this sense there has been positive effects of muslim immigration to the West too.]

The fact that there will be a civil wars around Europe within the coming decades is easy to conclude. But the outcome in Iraq is much harder, I think. It will happen in the context of major geopolitical events. If the regime in Iran is toppled? If a nuclear war is started, and the U.S. (or whoever) retaliates by nuking Mecca? Such events will have a major impact on the outcome in Iraq.

So, if in some way the U.S. succeeds to turn Iraq into a democracy, that's of course a success. But on the other hand, and maybe more likely, if the whole thing fails, it will mean that the traditionalists will have tried their hypothesis and it failed, so they will have aquired important knowledge. And it will become clear to them that the reason that the Iraq failed to exploit this golden opportunity to live in democracy and freedom is due to one important factor: Islam.

I won't say "The goal is nothing, the movement is everything". But I'll say that the movement is often more important then the goal, at least in the short run. And the movement is developing very nicely I think. You are frustrated since you think the Westerners catches on to slowly, while Björn is appalled that they catch on too fast. While I on my side see how the mental climate changes on a month to month basis, and that the events in Iraq is at the core of this mental mobilization. People get mentally prepared for global war much faster this time than ever (it's always been slow, take WWII for example).

In the long run, we are gonna win this global war. That's the goal.

At September 03, 2005 1:45 AM, Blogger Herr Unswedenizer said...

Fjordman. Please, do answer me after the election. I shouldn't distract your time now.

Blåtunga. I think the stats might very well be correct. I believe that the Swedish people are completly brainwashed.

At September 03, 2005 2:38 AM, Blogger Blåtunga said...

Fjordman said...

Islam cannot be combined with democracy.

I agree on that.

For Islam to be compatible with democracy, it has to be reformed and modernised thoroughly. It's a religion stuck in the 500's and the reforming process would take 100's of years.

The only way for Iraq to become a democratic and modern country in a forseenable future, is for them to separate religion and politics totally.

But that is only a starting point.

At September 03, 2005 3:02 AM, Blogger Herr Unswedenizer said...


But Björn Stark is right, Islam is not gonna meet us unchanged.

And Fjordman is right, there will be a war (a global civil war).

What is required to separate religion and politics in Islam is to destroy the political and symbolic power of Mecca, as well as the power of the ideological center in Iran.

Then Islam can and will be reformed. Of course the Quran is still in theory unreformable, but the book will lose much of its significance with the fall of the Empire behind it (quite as Mein Kampf fell into insignificance with the fall of the Third Reich).

Islam will be reformed by the many good muslims (most people are inherently good unless they are brainwashed my fear and mind control) that really do not want to be enemies with the infidels. Many muslims will leave for atheism or other religions, but still many, probably more, will be so attached to Islamic cermonies and myths and greetings in Arabic and such, so they will prefer to reform Islam (or rather, follow the reformer). And people do not really have a problem living a paradox, if the feel they win from it.

The thing that Björn Stark fails to see, since he hadn't studied Islam enough, is while these geopolitical variables stay the same, and there is Demographic Jihad in Norway and Western Europe, Islam will stay unchanged when meeting us, while we will not.

At September 03, 2005 3:22 AM, Blogger Blåtunga said...

Herr Unschwedenizer:

I do not agree people are inherently good or bad. Their behaviour is 50-75% due to influence of parents and society.

That influence may change rapidly, look at ww2.

At September 03, 2005 4:01 AM, Blogger Blåtunga said...

I know, most native Swedes are quite fed up with the result of mass immigration during the last 25 years.

However, when you ask them about it, they probably deny that in fear of being called racists etc.

The word "racist" could mean anything in Sweden nowdays.

It's kind of amusing, it's like in Soviet-Russia or Nazi-Germany, in terms of strange context.

At September 03, 2005 4:25 AM, Blogger simulev said...

Well, from the Swedish dictionary

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun

1. Any person, despite skin color, religious beliefs, cultural background, political party affiliation, or sex, that oppose or protest against the mad suggestions of the ongoing dismantling of Sweden, in national suicide, endorsed by the political correct elite and their few followers, can be labeled as racist,

Thesaurus: See Patriot

At September 03, 2005 4:25 AM, Blogger Herr Unswedenizer said...

Blåtunga: I do not agree people are inherently good or bad. Their behaviour is 50-75% due to influence of parents and society.

Well, let's say then that humans are inherently human (the good with the bad). But the rule of fear and mind control by a totalitarian power can deprive them of their humanity.

Take away the evil spell of totalitarian oppression and brainwashing from their shoulders, and their inherent humanity will flourish again.

I know, most native Swedes are quite fed up with the result of mass immigration during the last 25 years. However, when you ask them about it, they probably deny that in fear of being called racists etc.

This is how brainwashing works. Most Swedes are afraid to talk even to their closest friends or relatives. Even to think the thought by themselves. Very effective this is.

At September 03, 2005 12:37 PM, Blogger Herr Unswedenizer said...

Sometimes I meet frightened people who starts talking. They start every sentence with "I'm not a racist, but...". I'm trying to calm them down, saying I know they are not a racist, I understand them, etc. But they are so scared that they cannot absorb my words, and continue starting every sentence with "I'm not a racist, but...". They will talk about some singular event, maybe a Somali pissing all over an ATM machine. What they will manage to express is: I really hate when someone does that. And then they are exhausted, and no more able to communicate (as if they really were before). I realize that this is the most that I can get from them in terms of performance. It's not an intelligent act, it's more like popping a boil. Imagining an intelligent and rational reasoning with these people about the bigger picture (or even simple conclusions in a small picture) is impossible.

Very effective brainwashing is. Very disciplined and loyal the Swedes are.

At September 03, 2005 3:23 PM, Blogger sissyblue said...

Europeans need to start "mixing" with the immigrants. You need start (on purpose) to develop some friendships with these people. If you do, and get to the point where you can say whatever you want to them, they will start taking themselves less seriously.

I run into people all the time who have misconceptions about the muslims. For example, a common one is that they're dirty. I have to tell them that in fact they are VERY clean.

Now, I'm not saying "date" them or "marry" them. That would be a DISASTER because their culture is so different... just become friends (of sorts) with them. I think there's a lot of similarities between Europe now and the American "South" in the 1950's. Each looked at the other as completely alien.

I have many muslim friends and aquaintances. I have 2 BEST friends (Christians), one from Ethiopia and one from Vietnam.

If you want to avoid the civil war Fjordman and others are predicting, then YOU need to be proactive NOW.

Another interesting thing about the muslims is that they don't hold grudges (on a personal level). My husband and I have been in debates with them and they've become so angry, we thought for sure they'd never talk to us again. The next day it was like nothing happened. Very strange. One such incident occurred when we brought a hilarious picture of Arafat dressed like the "wicked witch of the North" on a broom stick, the day after he died! Okay, that was a little insensitive...

At September 03, 2005 4:17 PM, Blogger simulev said...

just become friends (of sorts) with them

Actually, Sweden has a plan for that as well, you can borrow them at the local library, I kid you not.

Swedish library launches 'borrow a person'

At September 03, 2005 4:42 PM, Blogger Herr Unswedenizer said... you see, Sissyblue, it's all relaxed and easygoing up here...

BTW, about 10% of the people here are neither Swedes nor Muslims. They are good company.

At September 03, 2005 5:59 PM, Blogger Don Miguel said...

Herr Unswedenizer:

What do you mean by a "global civil war?" Are you saying that many countries will have a civil war at the same time?

At September 03, 2005 6:27 PM, Blogger sissyblue said...


That's hysterical! Unfortunately the left usually gets it wrong. I don't think the muslims (or anyone else for that matter) want to be treated like some curious monkey one brings home from the zoo. I think they need to be treated as normally, including arguing and debating with them. If they believe some stupid thing, tell them, and they likewise will reciprocate. The left does more damage than good with all their special programs and efforts at social engineering. Just let people be people.

At September 03, 2005 6:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don Miguel: What do you mean by a "global civil war?" Are you saying that many countries will have a civil war at the same time?

It was PDP111 who coined the term in another thread, and I immediately adapted it. It's a very accurate description, and

At September 03, 2005 7:03 PM, Blogger Herr Unswedenizer said...

"Anonymous" above is me (how did that happen?)

Civil wars and different levels of war are happening all around the bloody borders of Islam as it is today in Sudan, Nigeria, Palestine, Russia, Balkan, Thailand, The Phillipines, etc. etc. It's been growing rapidly since the surge of the Third Jihad, which in turn was awoken by oil money.

But imagine then that the Jihadists gets hold of some nuclear bombs and blow them in a couple of major cities in the West. The West will then retaliate forcefully, and do so where it hurts. This will set a full scale Jihad on fire in every country where there are muslims. They will lose of course and order will be resotored, but it won't be over just quite as fast and pass by as smoothly as in New Orleans.

At September 03, 2005 10:17 PM, Blogger GunJam said...

Do the dhimmi-minded Swedish bureaucrats have the cojones to stand up to this kind of violence against the Christian religion (something they all likely swore off long ago)?

At September 03, 2005 11:41 PM, Blogger Herr Unswedenizer said...

They don't even have the will.

No worse, they are themselves among the attackers.

At September 04, 2005 8:58 AM, Blogger simulev said...

"Unfortunately the left usually gets it wrong."

Naah, Really?

At September 05, 2005 2:31 AM, Blogger Don Miguel said...

Herr Unswedenizer:

I am still unsure of what the term "global civil war" means. Since "civil war" means war between groups of citizens of the same country, are you saying that civil war will break out in many countries at the same time, ostensibly between Muslims and non-Muslims in each country (a feasible consequence of catastrophic actions by Islamists in conjunction with non-PC awareness of the dangers of Islam by non-Muslim populations)?

At September 05, 2005 3:01 AM, Blogger Herr Unswedenizer said...

Islam is and ideology for world domination ("global"). The main method is civil warfare. One war can have many battle fields, in many different countries. But it's still one war since it stems from one ideology and one ideological center. A major event can ignite it in numerous places at the same time. E.g. a forceful retaliation from the West after Jihad nuking. After that most countries of the world with muslim population will be set on fire. And it does not even have to be coordinated, the ideology with its myths does the job.


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