Tuesday, October 04, 2005

Pakistan: 16 Muslims reportedly rape Christian girl

16 Muslims reportedly rape Christian girl

A 12-year-old Christian girl was reportedly abducted and gang raped by 16 Muslim men in Pakistan. The alleged offence occurred at Rawlpindi, bordering Pakistans capital city of Islamabad. According to a news release from the All Pakistan Minorities Alliance (APMA), Sara Tabasum escaped two weeks later while she was being transported to a new location. APMA reported Tabasum managed to jump out of the vehicle and escape while it was on a busy road. Although the youngster was pursued, she still managed to reach her family.

On Sept. 5, APMA stated, Tabasum went out late one night to buy some loaves of bread. She was reportedly abducted by her former neighbors and two other men. According to APMA, "They put a piece of cloth soaked in some intoxicant on her mouth, after which she fainted." When Tabasum regained consciousness she found herself in Bibis house, where three men reportedly including Babar Bibi, raped her. Tabasum was reportedly told that by Perveen Bibi that she could be "saved" if she embraced Islam and married one of Perveens Muslim brothers. According to APMA, "On refusing, Sara was beaten badly during captivity and shifted to another house ... where five persons raped her. She was repeatedly asked by Perveen and other men to embrace Islam and recite (the) Islamic creed to save herself from the misery. Perveens husband Babar even told her that they (had) killed her brother Suleman, and her mother (had) also embraced Islam. (With that in mind), it would be better for her to become (a) Muslim now, otherwise she could be killed or made (a) ‘prostitute." Tabasum refused to renounce her faith and embrace Islam, APMA reported. She was subsequently taken to another house, where she was reportedly assaulted by seven people.

APMA strongly condemned the abduction, saying in a news release, "It is a horrific, brutal and shameful act, which should be condemned at all levels as it is the insult of humanity itself. The incidents of rape, kidnaping, torture, and gang rape are increasing at an alarming rate, and the victimized women are begging for justice and protection to save their dignity and honor. The official failure to condemn or punish rape is encouraging the perpetrators to continue to commit such heinous crimes."

This is by no means the only such case:

Pakistan: Honour killings and abduction of Christian girls

The trend of Muslim boys abducting Christian girls, and raping them after forcibly converting them and marrying them, has not died down. Nothing has changed since the Bishop of Lahore invited the then prime minister Nawaz Sharif to his congregation in 1998 and told him gory details of how Christian girls were being preyed upon by Muslim thugs.

The kidnapping, raping and focred conversion of non-Muslim girls in not unique to Pakistan:

Who is responsible for abducting Coptic girls?

Abducting and converting Coptic girls to Islam is not only a result of the paranoid and racist incitation against the Copts, but it is an organized and pre-planned process by associations and organizations inside Egypt with domestic and Arab funding, as the main role in seducing and luring Coptic girls is carried through cunning, deceit, and enticement or through force if required. In a lecture delivered by the departed Archbishop Athanasious, he exposed some of the tactics of these organizations in abducting the Coptic girls by containment through friendship that leads at the end to sexual seduction or abduction or involuntary detention in many homes scattered allover Egypt and forcing them to convert to Islam.

Are we seeing the first signs of this trend even in Europe and Scandinavia?

Rape: Nothing to do with Islam?

Western women are not so much regarded by most Muslims as individuals, but as "their women," the women who "belong" to hostile Infidels. They are booty, to be taken, just as the land of the Infidels someday will drop, it is believed, into Muslim hands. Western women are cheap and offensive. We Muslims are here, here to stay, and we have a right to take advantage of this situation. It is our view of the matter that should prevail. Western goods, like the land on which we now live, belong to Allah and to the best of men -- his Believers. Western women, too, essentially belong to us -- our future booty.


At October 04, 2005 8:28 PM, Blogger el greco said...

And the denmark government has made it even more difficult to arm yourselves.
I am so glad I live in America-
Islam-the religion of animals.

At October 04, 2005 8:29 PM, Blogger el greco said...

Hey fjordman, how do I log out of your site?

At October 04, 2005 11:36 PM, Blogger PD111 said...

The plight of Christians in muslim nations is one of the greatest tragedies of the last 40 years. This persecution has occurred in modern times, with all the facilities of modern communications, and yet with little or no attention focussed on this pitiable group of people.

These are the people who should have been granted asylum instead of the bogus muslim asylum seekers claiming persecution in muslim countries. There maybe a few muslims who genuinely face persecition, but the vast majority are here to wage Jihad by economic means by scrounging on the welfare state.

If we had given the slightest thought to asylum and immigration policy, we could have released these persecuted Christians from bondage. They and their descendents will have integrated, and better still, never posed a security threat, and a threat to Freedom and democracy, as the muslims are currently in the process of doing.

However, all rational thinking ceased once PC and MC took hold of the polity. Never in history has such a way of action, completely devoid of rational thought, become ascendent in all decesions, even in those of how to wage war.

We will pay for this in the long run if we do not do something soon. In history just as in free markets, there is no such thing as a free lunch. We will have to pay sooner or later. The only difference will be in the price.


At October 04, 2005 11:52 PM, Blogger PD111 said...

PS: Have a look at this cartoon


At October 05, 2005 2:05 AM, Blogger Anon said...

I was searching for entries regarding conflicts between Christianity and Islam...

this post saddens me greatly, but I am glad to read of such faith in Christ showing through under terrifying circumstances.

At October 05, 2005 1:39 PM, Blogger PD111 said...

In a debate with a couple of muslims, they recommended that I read a site which describes the essential peaceful nature of islam and a modern interpretation of the koran. Now in the normal course of events, I would ignore such advice, as it is just a method to not answer questions posed to muslims, as well as a technique to divert attention.

Anyway, I did link to the site and found that it is proably a Sufi site, written by a "professor" of islamic studies in the US. Surprise was that on the home page itself, was this

The Muslims are those from whose tongues and hands other Muslims are safe and sound.


Says it all. Nothing surprises me when it comes to muslims and islam, sufi or otherwise.


At October 05, 2005 9:30 PM, Blogger jimgoism said...

Islam and Mohammed had and still has an EVIL fixation on

Pre-teen girls (Mohammed married a 6 year old) and raped her at 9

Public hair. (The Koran and mohammed) constantly demanded muslims to (Inspect) the public hair of captive young boys. (A sure sign of pedophilia)

Rape of women and children.
In the sudan mass rape is being carried out (Mohammed demanded and took) captive women and RAPED them in front of their husbands and families before he Butchered the Family members.

Islam is a sexual perverts dream all started by the child molester Mohammed

www.jimgoism.blogspot.com has links to proof from the koran itself.

At October 06, 2005 12:06 AM, Blogger PD111 said...

jimgoism posted: Pre-teen girls (Mohammed married a 6 year old) and raped her at 9.

BTW, I like your site, though I'm not quite used to centre justification.
Mohammed raped Aisha when she was 8 years and 8 months old, as the islamic year is based on 12 "lunar" cycles. However, what is revealing is that he was already eyeing Aisha in a paedophilic fashion, even when she was 6 or less.


At October 07, 2005 12:13 AM, Blogger Crimson_Willow said...

Christians sicken me... always so judgemental. How many Christians have raped? Are the victims of Christians less important? Islam is a beautiful religion, filled with love for their God. You know something? Most Muslims believe that Christian make it into Heaven. But Christians? They'd rather die than believe other good people get into Heaven.

At October 15, 2005 9:44 PM, Blogger Crimson_Willow said...

What, nothing else to say about it? Typical... so if it was 16 Christians doing this to a Muslim girl it wouldn't even be in the news, let alone looked down on. BTW, Mohammed never hurt Aisha. He treasured her, and took her in because she had nowhere else to go, and married her because there was no other way to take her in. He never touched her until she was ready. If she was ready at 8, then so be it. Sexuality varies from person to person.

At October 19, 2005 6:29 PM, Blogger Hal said...

My goodness, Crimson Willow! I did not realize that the newspapers were keeping secret the awful cases of marauding bands of Christian gang rapists! Where are they doing that? In Bangladesh? in Pakistan? in Egypt? I would think they wouldn't do it there since the Muslims would likely riot and exterminate their entire communities. So please tell us where these horrible Christian gang rapes are happening!

Hmmm. just as I thought. You canot ecite a singel case where Christians have gang-raped Muslims. What are we supposed to believe? That Muslim newspapers in Bangladesh, Malaysia, Egypt, Pakistan and elsewhere are all dedicated to keeping Christian crimes secret? Feh.

What bother us is that Muslim men specially pick out and rape Christian girls because of their respect and love for Muslim women AND ONLY MUSLIM WOMEN.

Forget "heaven", sweetheart. I don't care what abstractions you read from your book. What I care about is the here and now. I care about Christian cultures that are preyed upon by violent, horny Muslim men.

I really don't care that the Muslim rapists know the Christian girl they rape and murder is going to heaven just like they are. I want that Christian girl to be left alone right here on earth, rathe than raped, killed and sent to Muslim heaven.

And I DON'T want to have to convert to Islam to keep my women from being raped and killed. Right now that seems to be the only way, since the Muslim raper/killers do it solely to Christians, not Muslim women.

At October 21, 2005 10:32 PM, Blogger Crimson_Willow said...

Hmmm... do the Christian Crusades bring anything to mind? Or did everyone forget about those horny bastards?
I had a friend who went to a Christian church and was raped by 6 horny Christians afterwards. Saved by grace was their big excuse.
During the weeks after 9/11, there were many riots against muslims. In schools there were groups of male muslims who would gather together just so they could walk the women home. Do you really think America would publicize all the horrible things we do to Muslims during that time? Of course not. American citizens are being sent back to countries they've never lived in because they are Muslim. Now, is that fair?
You don't think Muslims are the only religion who rape... do you? There are Christian extremists, but since this is basically a Christian society they are kept out of the news. Because... who wants to make a Christian look bad? I dislike Christians... yes... I really don't have a taste for any religion, however, I think that some are more forgiving than others and the fact that Muslims believe that Christians go to heaven means that the men who raped this poor girl WEREN'T real Muslims. Do you know what happens to men in Islamic countries who have been charged with rape? They get their dicks cut off. Does that happen here in America? No. A slap on the hand, some community service... if it was real bad, maybe a few years in jail, and they are out to rape again.
If you have such an issue with rape, then go to hospitals... talk to victims... start walking young women home at night... just quit bitching when it didn't happen to you. Were those dicks between your legs? No? Then don't bitch. Religion had nothing to do with it. They were horny, and she had a pussy. That's all... end of story... Doesn't matter the religion... if a guy is horny, he'll get off. She was just in the way. Too bad... so sad... happens every couple of seconds here in America.

At October 28, 2005 11:04 PM, Blogger Crimson_Willow said...

What, did I hit a nerve?

At November 16, 2005 12:05 PM, Blogger s said...

Stupid idiots like crimson_willow are the ones who support and perpetrate such crimes on minorities in these countries. Why is it that the such crimes are being allowed to continue for so many years on? Maybe the world should provide funds to Christians and minorities in pakistan rather than to the earthquake victims.

At November 16, 2005 2:24 PM, Blogger s said...

Hmm.. maybe crimson_willow is a nutjob in the first place. She seems to have been _brainwashed_ by her muslim fiance. What a pity.

With comments like-
_Christians sicken me... always so judgemental.

Are you freaking nuts? Calling Christians judgemental? Which newspaper do you read- The Saudi Imam Gazette? Muslims burn down churches because of an _alleged_ rumor that a christian burnt a koran. This wasn't true but those muslims saw it fit to go on a rampage eitherways. And you call Christians judgemental? Are you brains in the right place? Stupid idiot.

How many Christians have raped?

Here's a clue- type "hindus pakistan" or "christians pakistan" in google.

Are the victims of Christians less important? Islam is a beautiful religion, filled with love for their God. You know something?

Muslims are filled with love for their god but INTOLERANCE for anybody else. Making such comments, it shows your brain is unable to function in a normal way. Your thinking is no different from those illiterate, brainwashed muslims who commit such atrocities.

Most Muslims believe that Christian make it into Heaven. But Christians? They'd rather die than believe other good people get into Heaven.

Like I said before, you seem to have been brainwashed by some stupid muslim preacher. You expect anybody to believe you. You might be a "happy atheist" but your brain and thinking are "sadly atrophied".

From the way you are praising mohammed and his activies, you seem to have thrown rational thinking out of the window.

"They were horny, and she had a pussy."

And you're trying to convince others that islam is a peaceful religion compared to Christianity. You are out of your mind.

At December 03, 2005 12:40 AM, Blogger Crimson_Willow said...

As far as being brainwashed... I'm not a Muslim, am I? No? Guess I'm not completely brainwashed yet then, huh?
You talk about me being brainwashed... all you are going on is AMERICAN MEDIA! Who do you think controls that? Of course it is going to be biased!
I don't support rape... I just don't whine and bitch about it when the person isn't even in my family. How are you helping her or any other rape victim by bitching about it. I was raped many times when I was younger. I don't bitch about it though. You are just trying to use it against Muslims.
Anyone can be an asshole... Muslims... Christians... Atheists... Jews... Buddhists... anyone. I do respect Christianity when it is being presented properly, and will defend a Christian if they are being shitted on by a bunch of assholes like yourselves. Or a Buddhist, or Hindu... look who is being judgemental now.
Women are being raped all the time. It happens... shit happens... Some Youth Pastor is probably groping or bending over an innocent girl as I type this... all I wanted to get across is that for someone to take ONE rape and turn it into all this is repulsive... and that they don't care for the girl, only for the chance to put down a religion they don't agree with. It's sad...
And quite honestly... I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.
People are stupid...
You can't convince someone of something they don't want to hear.
Now... unplug your ass, take a big breathe, and open your mind.

At December 04, 2005 11:51 AM, Blogger pradman said...

crimson_willow... I dunno if you are a muslim or an atheist. Couldn't care less.
But I want you to know thatsimply love learning about all the religions though I myself am an atheist. So hopefully I shall be able to view this thread with impartiality
Yes.. there some poisitive stuff in the koran... but what about the hadith?? What about the Sharia laws?? A rule like a non Muslim man having a sexual relationship with a Muslim woman (even with her consent) is punishable with death.

I think there are some inherent problems with some of the teachings of Islam because they have been mostly formulated during times when the early muslims were at war with the "infidels" in Arabia and now a thousand years later the Muslims still hang on to these outdated rules though they are grossly out of context today. This is the source of intolerance that we see in some muslims today.
In India, the muslims have a separate civil law code. Muslim men in India can have upto four wives at a time. If Hindus and Chrstians do that they will be promptly thrown into jail. By contrast in Muslim nations, a non Muslim cannot even have some food publicly during the month of Ramadan...
There is (more)intolerance in Islam compared to other religions and this is the reason for the current Islamophobia.
The Muslims need to understand that they need to respect other religions. People of other religions are not Dhimmis, they are simply people who have go about their own lives. Islam, (just like Christianity in the middle ages) needs to reform too (but that is highly unlikely from a religion in which any form of criticism of the same is punishable with death again)

At December 04, 2005 9:28 PM, Blogger Crimson_Willow said...

I'm not muslim. I'm not really anything... I could say I'm an atheist, but actually, I'm probably not even that either. I sort of believe in fate I guess... I'm not sure.
Did you know that most followers of Islam only follow the Quran, and that Hadith and Sharia laws are pretty much just there as added opinions that are "good to follow" as well? I have a female muslim friend who is dating a Christian, and her parents approve. However, if someone wants to live their life one way, I don't think we should argue.

At December 05, 2005 4:27 PM, Blogger pradman said...

Crimson...Yes... you are right about the hadith and the Sharia. Then I have to say that not Islam but Muslims have to change because most of the Muslims feel that the Hadith and the Sharia too have to be followed by the word as they follow the Quran.
I again emphasise that Islam is not evil, Muslims are not evil but Muslims need to realize that things change, they have to accept changes (including the individual rights of Muslims to change their religion,again this is punishable with death). The Koran and Hadith may have been the word of "God" but they are not infallible (atleast not in the current cotext of the world). I was born to Hindu parents... there are so many things in Hinduism that need to change too...
Oh My "God" ;P !!!!!!! I now sound like a believer (at least a reformer) now. Change of subject...
As for your Muslim friend... Good for her... But trust me.. she is one of the very few Muslim girls in the world who can do this.
By the way it would be interesting to know if your friend's man practises his religion now and also would your friend's parents allow the same religious freedom for their grandchildren as well.

PS: Interestingly the Muslims you have encountered seem to be quite moderate. But that is not the whole story girl...

At December 11, 2005 9:48 PM, Blogger Crimson_Willow said...

Nothing is ever the "whole story" and that is where prejiduce comes from. If everyone had the "whole story" to everything, people would be quite understanding. But they aren't. and yes, he still practices Christianity.
Things need to change everywhere, which is why nothing will ever be alright anywhere.


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