Sunday, October 02, 2005

Turkey in EU would bolster Arab partnership with Europe: analysts

Turkey in EU would bolster Arab partnership with Europe: analysts

Arab countries believe Turkey entering the European Union would strengthen their own relations with Europe and bolster efforts to portray Islam as a moderate religion, analysts say. "Turkey's negotiations with the European Union are a sign of encouragement," said Fares Braizat, a researcher at the center of Centre of Strategic Studies of the University of Jordan. "For the Arabs it means that Turkey could play a play a significant role within the European Union regarding EU policies towards the Arab and Muslim regions. Turkey is seen as a model for positive engagement with the world." With one foot firmly planted in the East and the other in the West, Turkey is seen by other Muslim countries as a role model that has successfully balanced tradition and modernisation. By accepting Turkey, "the EU will be shedding its Christian club label, improving Europe's image in the Muslim world and encouraging Turkey's model -- a moderate Islamic state which is also a democracy," Ansari said. "This would help moderates and liberals across the Muslim world to confront Islamic extremism." "Turkey's membership is important for Syria because it will become Europe's direct neighbour," said Elias Murad, the chief editor of Al-Baath, the ruling party's newspaper. "This will contribute to improve political and economic relations with the EU," Murad said.


At October 02, 2005 10:10 PM, Blogger PD111 said...

On the Bali massacre.. again

From gandalf:

Bali has been bombed ..again.

People have been murdered..again

Our leaders will condemn..again

Our leaders will do nothing..again

Islam will say it is a "religion of peace"..again

Politicians will say "its a small minority"..again

People will protest, not to be heard..again

Muslims will say "they are the victims"..again

Then surely Islam will kill..again

At October 02, 2005 10:32 PM, Blogger Jens-Olaf said...

Turkey has to fulfill the multi somewhat requirements of the EU. Then the governments of EU-Europe have to decide. That is was the Latvian president says. Listen to it:First they have to fulfill, then decicion.

At October 02, 2005 10:35 PM, Blogger John Sobieski said...

No civilization has survived conquer or 'voluntary' merger with Islam. Why do these Euro elites think their case will be any different, or that they know what is best for their citizens, who DO NOT want Turkey to join. Isn't the height of pomposity for our leaders to make such decisions that we do not agree with. I do not believe this would ever happen in America, but I may be wrong.

At October 02, 2005 10:36 PM, Blogger PD111 said...

Poster Mark encapsulates reasons why Turkey should not be admitted to the EU. They are so well put that they can do with a fresh airing. Below are the main points.
Public opinion in Europe, especially in countries such as Austria, Germany, France, and the Netherlands is very much against Turkey coming into Europe; yet the arrogant Bush and Blair, both of whom know diddly-sh¡te about Islam, are adamant that Turkey should be allowed in. How can anyone have any respect for people like that, people who speak from both sides of their mouths?

We can all see the bloody mess these two men have made out of Iraq; now they want to do the same for Europe. God! These men have got to be stupid! Tony Blair is full of bullsh¡te; George Bush, full of dangerous concepts!

Even to think of allowing Turkey into Europe is ludicrous. One doesn't have to complicate the issue with the steadfast refusal by Ankara to recognise the genocide of the poor Armeniens. That was certainly a tragedy, but there are far more pressing reasons why Turkey should not be allowed to join.

A more immediate one is Ankara's insistence on not recognising the legitimacy of the Cyprus government. If they are this arrogant before they're allowed in, think of how arrogant they'll become after they've been let in!

One can think of a whole host of reasons why there should be no place for Turkey in Europe. The most obvious ones are:

1. Geographically, Turkey doesn't belong in Europe. Only 5% of Turkey lies on the continent of Europe; therefore, if Turkey is allowed in, where will it all end? With Iraq? With Iran? With Morocco? With Libya? The possibilities are endless!

2. Europe can do without borders with the politically-fragile Middle East. To have borders with the Middle East is in itself fraught with danger, and will certainly be very dangerous for the future of Europe. One can imagine all kinds of cross-border disputes and conflagrations, to start with.

3. The history and culture of Turkey in no way fits in with the history and culture of other European countries. They are poles apart.

4. The religion of the West, or these days, perhaps, one should speak of the lack of it, was/is/should remain Christian, or at least be based on it. It is Judeo-Christianity which is, after all is said and done, the basis of our culture. Islam (except, perhaps, for the dangers it posed) has had nothing to do with it. The ramifications of this alone are enormous.

5. History shows that Christian/Western values and Islamic ones do not mix. These are two immiscible religions, cultures, ways of life. Why, then, should we ignore the lessons of history? Can the politicians give us one good reason why we should, other than the vague notion, now flying around, that to accept Turkey into the Club will avoid a 'Clash of Civilizations' à la Huntingdon? And that's nonsense! Instead of avoiding a clash, we will be precipitating one - one right here in the heart of Europe. The clash, then, will not be international; rather, it will be intranational. Bürgerkrieg, civil war to you and me, will ensue in the fullness of time. This is madness! Sheer madness! Unadulterated madness! It will bring about the slow death of Europe. No less; and maybe, just maybe, it won't be so slow, either!

6. Economically, Turkey is a poor country. It will be a huge expense and drag on the taxpayers of Europe. It is simply not worth it.

7. The population of Turkey is 95% Muslim, and it is already around the 80 million mark, and counting. It is expected to exceed 100 million in a relatively short period of time; it will then overtake Germany as the largest country in Europe. With all the political ramifications that this will have on voting rights within the European Parliament. We all know what will happen then: Islam-friendly laws will be demanded, and the Turks will ride roughshod over the rest of the declining 'Christian' population!

8. Apart from all this. We have already seen this year the European electorates in France and the Netherlands reject the constitution for Europe. This was because they don't like the pace of enlargement and change within Europe, and are certainly against Turkey's accession. After previous enlargements, there has been no period of consolidation. It is essential that there be such a period; otherwise, the European project is destined to fail.

9. Regardless of what the liberal media tell us, Turkey has so, so far to go to give women equal rights, to say nothing of writers freedom of expression, or rights to gays.

I could go on and on. I shan't. I'll stop there, for I feel that the list is long enough. You get my drift.

Just to say this, though: I don't believe in the 'secular' state of Turkey. Kemalism brought one about, yes; but it has only been held together by military and police force. What's going to happen when they will be set free because of European laws. My guess is that there is a strong fundamentalist element within that country; and this group will come to the fore after it's allowed in. At the moment, they are largely gagged. We'll see what they'll do when they are given the freedom of Europe!

At October 02, 2005 10:46 PM, Blogger PD111 said...

The Jihad against Europe, that came to an end at the Gates of Vienna in 1683, was on two fronts. These two were the Austrian and the Spanish fronts. It is interesting to note that these same two fronts have been re-opened.

Iran, a fundamentalist islamic state, supports Turkey's entry to the EU. This simply confirms the islamic agenda and that the Jihad against Europe has been re-started. If anyone is thinking within the EU elite, this in itself should give immediate pause for thought.

Fortunately, and as jens-olaf points out, there many hoops that Turkey has to jump through before even serious negotiations start. However, given the known weasly nature of the EU elite, it is best to inform and educate the public so that this bit of EU expansion is stopped in its tracks, and for good - or till Istanbul is re-invested with its original name.


At October 02, 2005 10:59 PM, Blogger PD111 said...

Another point that needs considering.

It is not just 100 million Turks we are talking about. I believe Turkey has a law that allows all those who claim Turkic ethnicity, to claim Turkish citizenship as of right. The Turkish frontier thus exists right to the Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang, China. We are now talking of some 130 million+.

Besides, once Turkey is in, it will be its islamic duty to allow muslims from neighbouring countries to get into Europe.

Goodbye Europe, hello Sharia.

At October 02, 2005 11:30 PM, Blogger PD111 said...

"the EU will be shedding its Christian club label, improving Europe's image in the Muslim world and encouraging Turkey's model -- a moderate Islamic state which is also a democracy," Ansari said. "This would help moderates and liberals across the Muslim world to confront Islamic extremism." "Turkey's membership is important for Syria because it will become Europe's direct neighbour,"

One can counter this this thesis using the same basic asumptions.

It is not Europe that has to prove its credentials but the islamic world. If Turkey is such a fine role model, then it is better that it integrates better with the islamic world so that its model in taken up by the rest of the islamic world. Turkey's admittance to the EU OTH will distance it from the islamic world and do nothing but harm to the islamic world and Europe as well.

The EU does not need a border with Syria. That is the last thing it needs unless it has plans to re-impose the Roman empire. If that was the case, I could go along with it. A border with Arab nations with the current state of the EU, will open Europe to islamic raids.

Lastly isnt it time that the islamic world and its multitude of islamic organisations show that they are not just an islamic club.


At October 03, 2005 4:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many ways can you spell BALONEY? The trouble with analysts is they live out of touch with the real world. I am so sick of Islam and everything I see happening in the world today as a result of it. Who in their right mind would want a relationship with a country that is 99% Islamic? The statement, "With one foot firmly planted in the East and the other in the West" is laughable. Where is the western foot? My guess would be it's firmly poised behind the EU ready to kick them in the *butt* if they are allowed membership.

*bottom, behind, rump, and other less polite terms.

At October 03, 2005 6:34 AM, Blogger ik said...

According to the CIA factbook Turkey is 99.8% Sunni Muslim

Just how does a country reach such a high level of "purity" in such a messy neighborhood?

At October 03, 2005 7:03 AM, Blogger ik said...

OT - news from Pakisan (I do not know how much this site is reliable but here goes)

16 Muslims reportedly rape Christian girl
Pakistani pre-teen refused to renounce faith during assault

At October 03, 2005 5:07 PM, Blogger José María said...

If Turkey fulfils all the requirements that EU imposed I don´t see why they should change the rules of the game. That is cheating.

I understand the dangers that Turkey could bring, mostly if islam is not controlled, but it is also a great opportunity to change the arab world, mainly the countries bordering Turkey, by influence.
It would be the same like the otomans in the past, they were deeply influenced by europeans.
Turkey is not like any other country, they have been cooperating with the West since Kemal and they deserve a chance.

Humanity has to be One, in freedom, if western civilization denies the posibility of progres to others we are not in the right path.

And please, if somebody answers this don´t forget that I know that Islam is evil and if depended upon me I would forbid it.


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