Saturday, September 03, 2005

The Last Orthodox Church in Kosovo Might Turn into a Night Club

Now that churches and Christian symbols are targeted even in Sweden, it could be useful to see what will happen to Western Europe unless we deal with the ongoing Jihad and realize that we are in the middle of a world war. If we fail to do so pretty soon, then large parts of Western Europe will go up in flames within a couple of decades:

The Last Orthodox Church in Kosovo Might Turn into a Night Club

According to the new public planning the unfinished orthodox church “Christ, The Savior” in Pristina might be turned into a night club, a studio or a museum. The Parliament had reviewed the suggestion for the new reconstruction of the region on July 15. The plan includes the church and the students’ campus, the electronic edition Holy Gates of Christianity ( reports. The Serbian church has not been informed about the initiative and had reacted sharply to it. “The Church has neither intention, nor the right to turn its sites whose foundations have already been dedicated, into night clubs or galleries. Though over 150 churches and monasteries have been destroyed or seriously damaged over the last 6 years, the new attempt at taking away the last Orthodox Church cannot be seen in any other way than as a wish for impeding the life of the Church and wiping out every single trace of the Serbian people and culture in Kosovo and Metohija”, a declaration of the Rasko-Prizren Eparchy reads.

April 2004:

Kosovo: Church of Christ the Savior in Pristina turned into public toilet

After last month's pogrom during which 35 Orthodox churches were destroyed and whose ashes in several cases stink of human feces and urine, this yet another example of barbaric behavior in the very center of Kosovo's capital. To make matters even worse, this horrific spectacle of the humiliation of a single church and Christianity in general is located in immediate proximity and can be seen from the University Library and Pristina University. Both these institutions were usurped in 199 by the Albanians who summarily expelled all Serb professors and students. What is more, university representatives have been complaining for years to Pristna municipality authorities about the existence of the sole remaining Serbian Orthodox church in the area and asking that it be torn down. The advocates of an ethnically pure, Muslim Kosovo are especially infuriated by the presence of the golden overlay cross which can still be seen from some parts of the city and serves as a sad reminder that Orthodox Christians were once part of the city's population.

The church of Christ the Savior was to have been completed in 1999; however, the eruption of war interrupted further works. The church remains as the unfulfilled wish of the pre-war population of 40,000 Serbs in Pristina to build a new church besides the already existing church of St. Nicholas, which was destroyed during last month's pogrom. Today there are no remaining Serbs in Pristina.


At September 03, 2005 2:37 PM, Blogger erp said...

Why doesn't Clinton tell us again who are the victims and who are the genocidal brutes in the former Yugoslavia? His policies have permitted Iranian arms and Muslim terrorists to pour into an area already famous for being the catalyst for two world wars. There may be no hope for Europe with the Islamic invasion well underway on multiple fronts, the third time may be the charm and Europe will finally succeed in destroying itself.

At September 03, 2005 5:37 PM, Blogger José said...

Europeans have lost their faith, it´s not difficult to foresee that almost nobody will fight to protect churches or any other christian symbol.

At September 03, 2005 5:41 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Erp: I still don't think it's too late to save Europe from Islamization. But it is defintely too late to avoid war, yes.

At September 03, 2005 9:15 PM, Blogger erp said...

fjordman, I agree it's not too late to stem Islamic influence in Europe, although the clock is ticking, but I disagree that it must come to warfare.

Strict enforcement of the law with orders to kill if criminals don't heed the police when they order them "to stop in the name of law." Make it clear, as England and Australia have done, that all immigrants either live peacefully and obey the law of the land or be deported.

o/t I'm quite flabbergasted that Norway hasn't come to our aid with offers of oil. Any ideas about that?

At September 04, 2005 12:14 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Herr Unswedenizer: At some point, even Scandinavians won't take it anymore. If it becomes a matter of simple survival, people tend to leave political correctness behind. It may come to that, at least in your country.

At September 04, 2005 12:29 AM, Blogger Pastorius said...

Hi Fjordman,

Here's a quote from a book called Franklin and Winston by Jon Meacham:

Churchill believed that Germany would attempt to avenge November 1918. In a 1935 essay entitled "Hitler and His Choices," Churchill had held out the hope that the fuhrer would bring Germany back "serene, helpful, and strong, to the forefront of the European family circle." But, the warrior-patriot in Churchill suspected what was really afoot. Hitler would arm and defy the rest of the world to stop him.

"If we look only at the past, which is all we have to judge by, we must indeed feel anxious," Churchill wrote.

"Hitherto, Hitler's triumphant career has been borne onwards, not only by a passionate love of Germany, but by currents of hatred so intense as to sear the sould of those who swim upon them."

Now, to be fair, reading history to understand the present can almost be like reading tarot cards. But, how can our friend Bjoern (whom I assume is familiar with the prophetic shoutings of Churchill, and his rejection as a lunatic warmonger) read something like that, and not be embarrassed by his place in the continuum of appeasement?

At September 04, 2005 2:17 AM, Blogger erp said...

Thanks Herr Unswedenizer. You've made my case for me very nicely. It was lack of self control and any sense of self reliance that caused people who, when left to their own devices, either stood around like cattle in the field and waited for someone else to take charge or reverted to the law of the jungle and like any wild animal, attacked those who came to help them because they lacked the discernment to separate friend from foe.

They had no respect for the New Orleans police because they are no better than the criminals themselves and were unlikely to use force to maintain order. However, as soon as the national guard and the military arrived, the criminal element shaped up because they knew these guys had orders to shoot to protect the innocent people in need.

The media have pretty much ignored it, but the Gulf Coast was hit pretty hard by the hurricane. The affected people are going about getting their lives back together and haven't felt the need to loot and rape, so I wouldn't draw any great lesson from New Orleans other than keeping people in custodial custody for generations dehumanizes them and for this disgrace, all of leftwing moonbattery world wide can take a bow.

The facts are thus: If Europe doesn't take forceful action very soon, it will be too late and the full scale war Fjordman predicts will be unavoidable. I believe that this still can be avoided by exactly what I said, strict enforcement of the law with orders to shoot to kill if necessary those who flout the lawful order of a police officer.

BTW - Why the ad hominem attack? I may be a lot of things, but naive isn't one of them. Why can't you stick to discussing the issues instead of seeking to belittle my position by attempting to belittle me personally? The chances of your being able to get the best of me in an argument by hurling insults is too small to calculate.

At September 04, 2005 3:20 AM, Blogger erp said...

orders to kill

At September 04, 2005 5:10 AM, Blogger erp said...


I never said a shoot-to-kill policy would stop a demographic jihad.

What it will do, is stop lawlessness.

It's a very simple idea. People who commit violent crimes must be removed from society one way or the other. This will get the attention of other potential troublemakers. It works very well as has been proven in one fell swoop in New Orleans.

Nobody was shot, but violence subsided and they were able to make headway in the evacuation process. Some diehard fools are setting fires now and I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are shot. That'll be the death knell to decades of corruption on a scale that's difficult to comprehend.

At September 04, 2005 6:05 AM, Blogger Mike H. said...

erp, hold on just a minute and see who gives the order. The governor is the only one authorized to give the order to use deadly force and the NG is still saying today that they are only in defensive mode.

At September 04, 2005 6:06 AM, Blogger Mike H. said...

BTW, Chief Justice Rehnquist just died tonight.

At September 04, 2005 2:14 PM, Blogger erp said...

mike h - The governor, like the mayor, has proven herself to be incompetent bordering on malfeasance. Their demonstrated inability to provide leadership necessitated deployment of the military to maintain order and to allow the evacuation to proceed in an orderly manner.

Just their presence in the streets sobered up the wilders and do you think for one moment the troops will stand idly by and let rampaging street thugs further exacerbate the situation by setting fires?

I'm sick of trolls who have nothing to offer but the same old liberal line. Appeasement leads to more bad behavior. This is not a subject for debate, but has been proven time and again. Once things get out of control as they have in certain parts of New Orleans, only a strong show of force will be able to keep the peace.

Nobody wants any shooting, but the first obligation of government is to see to the safety of the weakest among us and that's what the soldiers are in New Orleans to do.

At September 04, 2005 2:21 PM, Blogger erp said...

Check this out. When even the NYT gets it, it must be pretty obvious.

At September 04, 2005 6:30 PM, Blogger erp said...

I guess you didn't read my first comment on this post. Click over to it.

"Make it clear, as England and Australia have done, that all immigrants either live peacefully and obey the law of the land or be deported."

It's not a law of physics that you will have a Muslim majority. You control your borders and say who may or may not become citizens, or who may or may not vote. It's not a insurmountable problem at all.

It's only looming so large because neither you nor any of your countrymen and women seem to be willing to take the necessary steps, like keeping an effective police force and/or a militia, to provide for your security. To Americans, this is mind boggling.

I suggested that you not take a lesson from the lawlessness in New Orleans. There's absolutely no analogy to conditions in Scandinavia. We, the people, wanted our troops to go in and establish order which they did and in a couple of days order will be restored, the troops will be deployed elsewhere and the big job of rebuilding will begin.

You are misreading my intentions in making comments on this blog. I'm not, in my inadequate and uninformed way, trying to 'help.' I'm merely commenting on the various issues Fjordman posts to his blog. I first learned about from a comment on LGF and have enjoyed his hospitality ever since and I thank him for letting me visit. When something interests me, I'll add my two-cents. If see something factually in error, I'll try to provide the facts with links if possible.

So, it's none of my business if Sweden wants to give over their sovereignty to 7th century savages. It would be a real shame, but people make choices and then live with the consequences.

At September 04, 2005 10:25 PM, Blogger erp said...


I mean no disrespect, nor am I being sarcastic, but have you ever read the fable of Chicken Little?

At September 05, 2005 12:45 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

erp: I'm sorry, but I still don't think you fully understand wwhat we're up against.

At September 05, 2005 1:32 AM, Blogger erp said...

Herr Unswedenizer

This is crazy.

You don't think you can stop Muslims from taking over while they're still very much in the minority and you control the security forces, such as they are, but you think you can win a full scale war when their numbers will have increased and your resolve will have weakened even further.

Who will be doing the fighting for you? If you're counting on us to jump in, I think you'll be disappointed this time. Even dumb Yanks like us can't be snookered three times in a row.

And again, please stop the personal attacks. Your argument, not matter how brilliant, falls apart when you try to denigrate your opponent's person rather than speak to his, or as in this case, her argument.

Chicken Little is a fable about naiveté, it's not about chickens and as it happens, I have zero knowledge of poultry, but know quite a lot about mathematics. I even know all about arithmetic, exponents and the multiplication tables.

Fjordman, I have a lot of respect for you even though I don't agree with all your positions. Your posts are well researched and well written and your choice of material is positively brilliant. I know how much time and effort it takes to consistently come up with articles not seen elsewhere among the blogs.

I do understand that you're facing this situation almost single-handedly. Only you know how many of your countrymen and women are with you. From your despondency, I surmise that there aren't many you can count on for support and to top it off, you need to worry about the thought police finding you and closing down your blog and maybe worse.

If you can't convince your fellow countrymen and women to take their heads out of the sand and deal with a bad situation, it might be time for you to cut your loses and relocate to a friendlier clime.

At September 05, 2005 2:25 AM, Blogger erp said...

I have read your comments. You expect that the measures you take to stem an Islamist takeover of Sweden, will lead to war, a war you can't win because Muslim women's fertility combined with their access to western medicine, will swell their numbers while the numbers of Swedes will continue to decline and Muslims will be in the majority by some date in the near future.

In addition, few of your countrymen and women see things your way and they're proceeding with business as usual. They either don't know or don't care that their civilization will be destroyed probably within the lifetimes of the younger generations.

Is this a fair synposis?

What I'm not clear about is the nature of this war.

At September 05, 2005 3:40 AM, Blogger erp said...

Why did what happened in New Orleans lead you to think of a global civil war? The events of the past week were neither global nor a war. The tragedy that ensued was the malfeasance of a mayor and governor who inexplicably failed to implement their own
emergency evacuation plan. If you watch CNN, you can't really expect to know what's going on.

At September 05, 2005 5:53 AM, Blogger erp said...

Here's a quote from your comment:

"The nature of this war... PD111 described it as a global civil war... New Orleans gave me an idea of it... "


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