Tuesday, November 08, 2005

Muslims more integrated in US than France

I do agree that the US economic model is better than the French one at welcoming immigrants, but Muslims are a special case. Many of them will NEVER integrate. The only reason why they appear more integrated in the US is because they are not as numerous as they are in France. Yet:

Muslims more integrated in US than France

Arab and Muslim immigrants in the US generally identify themselves as Americans and integrate with relative ease into a society that prides itself on social mobility and has more tolerance for cultural and religious differences, Haddad said. "To identify as French you have to renounce your faith and have to renounce you previous identity as though your previous self didn't exist. In the US you don't have to," she said. Arabs are a tiny minority in the United States, making up less than one percent of the population, according to the census bureau. They also constitute only about a quarter to a third of the country's Muslims, estimated at six million to seven million people or about two percent of the population. "There's no clear connection between the European and the American Muslim experience," she said, explaining that Muslims in the United States are less isolated and homogeneous than their European counterpart.

Japan appoints head of breakthrough nuclear reactor in France

A Japanese engineer turned ambassador has been named to head the international project to build a multibillion-dollar experimental nuclear fusion reactor in southern France, a Japanese official said Tuesday. Japan's Ambassador to Croatia Kaname Ikeda, a nuclear engineer by training, was named director general of the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) organization, slated to be launched in or after 2007. The decision was made Monday in Vienna at a meeting of high-ranking officials from the project's participating countries, a Japanese official said. The six ITER partners -- the European Union, the United States, Russia, Japan, South Korea and China -- agreed in June to bring the main facility to Cadarache, southern France, after Japan withdrew its bid to host the 10-billion-euro (12-billion-dollar), 30-year project. Instead of splitting the atom -- the principle behind current nuclear plants -- the project seeks to harness nuclear fusion: the power of the sun and the stars.


At November 08, 2005 7:23 PM, Blogger erp said...

I beg to differ. There will be no Muslim enclaves ruled by Islamic law in the U.S. Everyone living here is subject the law of the land. We've had all kinds of ethnic neighborhoods some of which still retain the flavor of the original residents. Some enthnic areas have had violence and murder, but the police go after the preps no matter who or what they are. Muslims may not want to assimilate, but if they live here, they will have to send their kids to school, pay their taxes and interact with the bureaucracy just like the rest of us.

Girls will not be allowed in school wearing burqas and there will not be segregated schools so boys and girls don’t see each other. What Muslims do in the privacy of their homes, is fine, but if it against the law, like murder or domestic, they’ll go to jail.

At November 08, 2005 8:11 PM, Blogger Bom Garfo said...

Proximity: We have to bear in mind that France stays at 1.000 Km from the south Spanish Mediterranean Sea and from Mabrebian Islamic countries like Morocco and Algeria, which are French ex-colonies and source of the majority immigrants in France. Just taking a car, a Muslim immigrant takes 12 hours of motorway to reach Algeciras and the ferry to the other side. By plane, we speak here of 2 hours flight from Paris to Casablanca or Alger.

Proportion: Also important is the fact that the percentage of Muslims immigrants in relation to the total population is rather small in the US than in France.

Multiculturalism: As far as religious symbols in public schools are concerned, and in opposite to France, Germany, UK, the Belgians and the Dutch allow religious symbols in public schools and apply the multiculturalism rules but that does not means a better integration of the Muslims immigrants in those countries. Multiculturalism failed by allowing ghettos everywhere. The French cultural integralism showed that its policies border the Islamic intentions and aims in Europe; but it may just be too late. People that says that what’s happening in France has nothing to do with culture and religion just do not know anything about it.

At November 08, 2005 10:42 PM, Blogger sissyblue said...

This is way off subject: Did anyone see the story today about an archaeological find about the David and Golith story, in Israel? I'm trying to find it on the Internet with no luck.


At November 09, 2005 7:53 AM, Blogger ik said...

The American experience will probably mirror the Australian experience - because of similar histories and political cultures - that is not very encouraging.

It is a mistake for Americans to underestimate Islam.

The only thing that French socialism did is to sped up the disaster. The disaster is caused by Islam and will hit any country which has a Muslim minority

At November 09, 2005 11:53 AM, Blogger tefta said...

It's a mistake for anyone to under-estimate Americans.

At November 09, 2005 8:09 PM, Blogger Don Miguel said...

"It's a mistake for anyone to under-estimate Americans."

That reminds me of how Al Qaeda thought that the defeat of the Russians in Afghanistan was the prime reason that the USSR collapsed -- and that the USSR was the stronger superpower and thus the collapse of the US would be even easier.

That was definitely a big cased of under-estimation!

At November 14, 2005 12:23 PM, Blogger oskar said...

@ erp:

Muslims have to pay taxes and are subject to the law of the land in Europe as well as in the US.

First of all, the muslim population of the US is smaller, both in absolute and relative size, a lot farther away from their 'home' countries and more likely to be wealthy irian exiles and gulf arabs, or even christian lebanese, rather than working class arabs and turks.

Regarding schools, it's not forbidden for girls to wear burqas in public schools in the US. In fact, there's a lot more fundamentalist schools and universities in the US compared to Europe.

And i'd say that religious groups are more successful at affecting the curriculum in the US compared to Europe. In fact, there are plenty of places (even whole states, I'm thinking of Utah) where laws are set by or influenced by religious groups, even minorities (I'm thinking of Utah again).

If we're talking about religious fundamentalism, I'd say that the US is not only one, but a couple of step ahead of Europe!


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