Sunday, November 06, 2005

"The French are Considered as Dhimmis"


An acquaintance of mine -- French, currently resident in North Africa -- sent a long post about the French riots to an email group I belong to. It is a fascinating post, but much too long to paste here. I did think, though, that the following passage would interest NRO readers, so with his permission, I pass it on. It is from a passage headed: "Why an Intifada in France?" It is among a long list of reasons given as answers to the question. "The Iraq war: as I had noticed very strongly in Tunisia a little more than 2 years ago, the opposition of France to intervention in Iraq has been perceived as a sign of weakness, and French are since considered as Dhimmis. The change of attitude from Arabs against French has been dramatic: now I know problems of security in Tunisia, and even in the French planes to go and come from there, and in Nice (French Riviera) Airport! This opposition, probably motivated by the money earned in Oil For Terror program and by threats from Saudi Arabia and Iran, has marked the end of France as a Western country (whatever one thinks about the Iraq war per se!)."

French Imams Distance Islam From Paris Riots

He warned that the worsening riots were playing well into the hands of anti-Islam parties in France. "Pious young Muslims have shouldered their responsibility from the first day of the clashes, trying to convince the angry youths of the need to calm down and stop violence," said imam Ahmad Gaballah."Some parties are just trying to smear the good work being done by the young Muslims," added Gaballah, also a member of the European Council for Fatwa and Research (ECFR). The French Communist Party, the Greens and the French Socialist Party have joined forces, demanding the sacking of Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy over his handling of the crisis. Sarkozy insists the violence is "organized". Facing harsh criticism from the media and the public, Prime Minister Dominique De Villepin held Friday a meeting with 16 youths, aging between 18 and 25, from Paris suburban areas on the difficulties they face. Taking charge of the government's response to the crisis, the premier is also meeting Saturday with representatives and activists from Seine-Saint-Denis.


At November 06, 2005 3:21 AM, Blogger Heloise said...

Everyone must read Eurabia by Bat Ye'or. It is so clear the agreements the french made with the mohammedans. What hubris!

At November 06, 2005 3:52 AM, Blogger Norman said...

I believe that there will be a huge
political backlash in France. The
Communists, Greens and Socialist will suffer greatly in the polls.
France will endure years of violence and civil strife. The political direction of Europe will
shift upon viewing the situation
in France. We Americans are,despite our present anger towards the French, always willing to help our revolutionary allies.
We will always remember you Lafayette.

At November 06, 2005 3:52 AM, Blogger tefta said...

Are there still those who doubt the end result of appeasement is death?

At November 06, 2005 7:39 PM, Blogger Jude the Obscure said...

'...the opposition of France to intervention in Iraq has been perceived as a sign of weakness, and French are since considered as Dhimmis.'

I believe this. I would think the same myself if I was a muslim.

At November 07, 2005 1:42 AM, Blogger stuart10242 said...

Noman your analysis is simply wishful thinking. The French and most Western Europeans have been brain washed for nearly 50 years by their ruling elite. They will continue to fail to recognize the situation for what it is blaming what their society and racism have done to provoke this reaction. They will continue to appease and retreat further into diminitude. Frankly I wish you were correct, but my logic tells me you are thinking with only your emotions.

At November 07, 2005 1:56 AM, Blogger Don Miguel said...

I believe the many nights of rioting with little response by the French government shows full well how they have slipped further into dhimmitude. I can't tell whether they are completely inept or completely blind to the situation, or both.

I would add to the "end result of appeasement is death" statement from tefta the qualifier " ... or subjugation." Of course, under Islam, death may be preferable.

At November 07, 2005 3:35 AM, Blogger Norman said...

Stuart, you are absolutely right.
It is wishful thinking on my part.
I wish the French would find a spine.

At November 08, 2005 1:58 AM, Blogger PD111 said...

Andalusia/Utopia – a desire for the ideal society.

One thing that has been bothering me is why the media- Channel 4 and the BBC in Britain, Prince Charles and some authors (now identified in short hand as the
Usual Suspects), have gone out of their way to glorify the fictitious "civilisation" of islam. The most mooted one is the Moorish rule of Andalusia, where it is confidently asserted that Jews, Christians and muslims lived peacefully together, building a society that was the envy of Europe and the world, all under benevolent Islamic rule.

It seems to me, that is what the goal is, i.e. a hankering for Utopia, even though a little research shows, that like virtually all visions of Utopia, Spain under the Moors was hell for those who had to live in it.

So it may well be a human desire for Utopia, where Christians, Jews and muslims i.e., people of different faiths, can all live in peace. In effect the allure of an ideal society.

Is this the cause for the glorification of Andalusia? I propose something a bit more sinister. I feel that the powers that be, and its organs such as the BBC, have realised that by shear demographic growth, muslims will inherit Europe. As Samir, a French muslim states

"You don't really think that we're going to stop now? Are you stupid? It will continue, non-stop. We aren't going to let up. The French won't do anything and soon, we will be in the majority here."

I propose that programmes in Europe glorifying the Arab occupation of Spain, is in reality preparing the population for the inevitable, i.e., their subjugation. They are counselling us that things wont be bad at all – just look at Andalusia.

Am I being paranoid? I hope so. But I cannot remove from my mind what Naipaul wrote - that the conquered people after conversion to islam, forgot and derided their native culture, and even identified with the invading Arabs.

In a perverse of replay of history, we (and I mean here the usual suspects as identified above) are identifying with invaders that have yet to take over Europe. They cannot see how, in a liberal democratic society, this conquest by demographic growth can be avoided. Consequently, and accepting the reality as of now, the usual suspects are thus encouraging the conquest of Europe, and at the same time beguiling the natives to meekly accept their fate, as they have nothing to fear, for it will be just as wonderful as Andalusia.



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