Monday, October 31, 2005

Islam dissident backs PM in dispute

Islam dissident backs PM in dispute

European leaders should step forward and support Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen's refusal to meet with eleven Muslim ambassadors to discuss press coverage of Islam, Dutch MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali said on Sunday. Somalian-born Hirsi Ali, who is considered one of northern Europe's staunchest Islam opponents, has lived under police protection for a year, ever since Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh was murdered for his critical film on women in Islam, which Hirsi Ali penned. Daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten reported that the 36-year-old politician and debater supported whole-heartedly the paper's decision to call for and print cartoons of the Muslim prophet Mohammed last month, an action considered blasphemous by devout Muslims and an unneeded provocation by many Danish politicians and journalists.

The ambassadors of eleven Muslim countries have deplored the newspaper's decision and asked for a meeting with Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who is also the minister of press issues. Rasmussen, however, declined to meet the ambassadors, saying that if they had the slightest understanding of the workings of Danish society, they would know that he had no desire or powers to change the newspaper's editorial policies. 'The Danish prime minister's reply to the ambassadors should be an example for every European leader,' Hirsi Ali told Jyllands-Posten's reporter. 'The prime minister steps forward to tell Muslims loud and clear that the freedom of expression is a deciding factor for a free society, and that a prime minister in a free society neither can nor wishes to regulate what newspapers do or do not do. The fact that he makes a special point of explaining this to the ambassador from Turkey - which is seeking entrance to the EU - is an expression of true statesmanship.'

Hirsi Ali, who says she suffered physical violence at the hands of her Islamic teacher in her country of birth and had to escape from her family when they tried to have her married against her will, criticises Islam as a totalitarian religion, which makes a special point of debasing women. She said Jyllands-Posten had made the right decision to print the caricatures of Mohammed, and urged media in other countries to do the same. 'It's necessary to taunt Muslims on their relationship with Mohammed, because otherwise we will never have the dialogue we need to establish with Muslims on the most central question: Do you really feel that the prophet Mohammed is completely infallible, and that every Muslim in Europe in 2005 should follow the way of life the prophet had 1400 years ago, as the Koran dictates? The provocation is necessary to spark the debate,' Hirsi Ali said.

Religious headscarves unwanted in Denmark

According to a survey, carried out for the free daily Metroexpress nearly one in two Danes believe that religious headscarves, as often wore by Muslim women, should be banned in Denmark. The Danish People's Party have decided after seeing the surveys results, to once again propose a new parliamentary law banning the wearing of headscarves in schools. Four years ago, they attempted to impose a similar ban but were not supported in parliament by any other party. The Social Liberals have already announced they would not support any ban on religious headscarves. Likewise, the Lord Major of Århus Louise Gade said that any ban in Århus would only be introduced against her strong opposition. "There are far more important things to take issue with than what clothes people wear," she said.

Minister complains of pampered immigrants

Immigrants and foreigners in Denmark are being pampered by the social services and therefore cannot find work, the Employment Minster told reporters today. Employment Minister Claus Hjort Frederiksen is demanding that social workers and their bosses focus far more on getting people into jobs, as only one in five interviews between clients and social workers are centred around job seeking. The president of the Social workers Union told reporters that his members are doing everything humanly possible to find work for immigrants; the problem is that jobs for them simply do not exist.


At October 31, 2005 3:54 PM, Blogger sissyblue said...

Yes, I totally agree. The only way to get through to them is through completely open debate. It's the only way they will ever be exposed to other points of view. Pretending their "bizarro world" is legitimate is ridiculous.

At October 31, 2005 5:11 PM, Blogger tefta said...

To: Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen:

Individual freedom and tolerance are western civilization’s greatest gifts to the world. Read the Declaration of Independence written by Thomas Jefferson, arguably one of the world’s greatest thinkers.

However, the governments of many European countries are turning tolerance on its head because they are paralyzed by fear of the Muslims living among them and rather than be labelled intolerent are actually entertaining the ridiculous and outrageous demands that Islamic laws based on based 7th century superstition and ignorance supercede the laws a free and open society has put in place over centuries of growth and knowledge. Rather than wanting to live in peace in their adopted country, Muslims are actually demanding that their hosts live in fear of them.

This situation cannot be allowed to continue because appeasement as it always does, leads to escalation and now the violence and murder have become widespread. The Danish government as well as the rest of Europe must move to make their countries a safe place for all their citizens. There can only be one law of the land which applies to all living within its borders.



Embassy of the Republic of Turkey, Copenhagen, Denmark
Office of the Turkish President
The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC)

At October 31, 2005 6:49 PM, Blogger nouille said...

Islam is favor of an absolute submission to God, an extreme rigidity of social obligations and prohibitions, a theocratic confusion of civil society, religion and the political State, an absolute monotheism, a profound ambivalence toward artistic freedom and scientific inquiry -- all these traits are incompatible with traditional European patterns of thought, which are fundamentally polytheistic.

"Those who believe that Islam can be Europeanized, can adapt to European culture, can accept the concept of secularism, make a dreadful error. Islam, essentially, does not understand compromise. Its essence is authoritarian and bellicose. It is the religion par excellence of a desert people. Put differently, with the colonizing introduction of Islam into Europe, two dangers arise: disfiguration or war."

Excerpted from chapter IV of Faye's La colonisation de l'Europe: Discours vrai sur l'immigration et l'islam

At November 01, 2005 1:25 AM, Blogger PD111 said...

nouille - too true

Islam is a way of life for a tribal and nomadic culture. Each tribe guarded its patch and at the same time engaged in raids against other tribes for booty and women (same thing). Mohammed's significant contribution was to codify a disparate code extending over several tribes into a single one. A similar thing was achieved by Genghis Khan, and in much the same way, was eminently successful in expanding the domain of his empire of booty. In that sense the period before mohammed was the period of Jahaliyya ie ignorance (in comparative ofcourse).

Through history there has been conflict between settled or agricultural communities who invented agriculture, and the nomadic one. Settled communities eventually had surplus and were able to devote more time to other pursuits that led to civilisation. The nomadic culture OTH depended on raids and the ensuing booty.

Islam would have died away had it not been so succesful in mixing the divine and the nomadic culture, which led to conquest of settled and prosperous communities, and then living off the proceeds of empire.

Civilisdation of the serttled communities though marched on and the empire of the nomad came to an end when the Ottoman empire was dissolved. Islam was in the process of withering away as a consequence but for a couple "miracles" that saved Islam's bacon. First was the oil bonanza, and the second, the far more important one - the open door policy of the West as regards immigration. Immigration of muslims is really an invasion, an invasion that had been stopped for good but for the cupidity of Western politicians in allowing millions of muslims into the West. Now we have to live with the horrendous consequences of those decisions. We are being dragged back to the Middle ages where religion was the decisive factor in political discourse.

Muslims live by the islamic code ie the nomadic code. One sees this in the way that islamic areas in the UK become ghettos in quick time- it is part and parcel of the nomad way of life, as he simply ups tent when the resources have run out and moves to greener pastures - in this context, where the benefits are more generuous.

Through history one has seen that the nomadic life style and the settled life are diametrically opposed. When both are forced to live side by side, as we are now doing in the West, a severe clash is inevitable.

At November 01, 2005 1:44 AM, Blogger PD111 said...


I will be off on a sabbatical in about a couple of weeks. This sabbatical also gives me an opportunity to take a break from this "islam stuff" and do something more intellectually satisfying.

When I first started trying to educate my countrymen about islam some thirty tyears ago, I was listened with amused tolerance. Now their is no need for me to carry on, as quite a few people in the West are getting knowlegeable on the issue. It is time for me to think of something else. I will post occasionally on JW/DW/LGF/GoV, but I need a break.

Fjordman, in setting up this blogsite, you have made a significant individual contribution to the defence of civilisation. It has been a pleasure discussing issues with you, even in the early days on LGF. Whatever you do, you have done as much as could be expected from an individual, in this war for civilisation against a brutal Jihad.

In case I dont catch your sight in the next couple of weeks, I wish you all the best in whatever you do.


At November 01, 2005 2:08 AM, Blogger Fjordman said...

DP111: Thank you for kind words. As you know, I will leave the blogosphere soon myself, but I think I will stretch it to the end of November. I will still be around a few weeks :-)

Don't know who you are in real life, but you have both insight and eloquence that could be well spent on other subjects, too. Best of luck.


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