Sunday, July 17, 2005

The Guardian Wants Europe to Surrender

Al-Guardian wants us to surrender. Not news, of course, but worth repeating:

Talking with the jihadists

This combination of terrorist cells and at least some sympathisers with the jihadist cause (their number is impossible to gauge) within diasporic and immigrant Islamic communities across the continent obviously makes Europe particularly vulnerable. This does not mean that Muslim immigrant communities as a whole represent a fifth column within European society, as a growing number of European politicians, by no means all of them on the far right, have increasingly taken to suggesting. But it does mean that there are enough sympathisers within these communities to make the terrorists' job feasible as opposed to impossible. Terrorism can often be contained and even blunted by effective military and intelligence activities, but it can only be defeated by political compromise and negotiation. For when terrorists represent a considerable constituency of opinion - as the IRA did, and the jihadists most definitely do - their ability to continue fighting is almost infinite. Sooner or later, such negotiations will have to start, as it is widely reported that they have already begun between the US and Iraqi authorities and the Ba'athist insurgents in Iraq. The alternative is treating the Islamic immigrant populations of Europe like a vast fifth column, and that choice would be a disaster for Europe and for the Islamic world. It is true that negotiating with mass murderers is the opposite of justice. But what adult ever thought history was just?


At July 17, 2005 7:55 AM, Blogger ik said...

In order to civilize Islam the first PRECONDITION is to destroy the Leftists. This is our experience in India and it will be true anywhere in the world.
Unless and Until the left is destroyed it will be impossible to have an honest dialog with Islam.

At July 17, 2005 9:13 AM, Blogger Kledo said...

Guardian employes an extremist islamist.

At July 17, 2005 4:54 PM, Blogger erp said...

ik. Right on! It's the moonbats baying that is misinterpreted by Islam as the green light for them to continue the killing. When the left is silenced, terrorism will stop. We don't need to nor should we want to, dialogue with Muslims.

Let them quietly fold up their tents and go home. Those Islamic countries wishing to enter into the 21st century and join us in peace and freedom are welcome. Those wishing to remain in the 12th century may do so as long they try to export their madness outside their borders.

At July 18, 2005 9:12 AM, Blogger ik said...

Hi - I cut and saved this from somewhere else (do not remember where) - that is somebody else wrote this but it is relevant here

Terrorism as a poltical weapon is crucially linked to the predictable reactions of the media, the "mass organs of communication." If warfare is an extension of politics by other means, then terrorism is an extension of advertising by other means. Without the utterly predictable interpretations and biases of institutional media culture, terrorism would be useless.

It was within the power of the Hitler regime to conduct mass-casualty suicide attacks in the United States, yet it apparently never crossed their minds.
The Japanese of the period are said to have considered such an attack, a mass assault on Los Angeles by submarine-borne suicide troops, but rejected it as not worth the effort.
They could not have been cowed by the threat of retaliation, which was already underway by every available means.
They could scarcely have objected on principle.
It just was not worth it for them, nothing would have been accomplished that would advance their goals. The media of the time could not be relied upon to use the attacks as a rationale for appeasement.
The exact opposite would have happened in fact, to a fair certainty.
Today, it is different.
Osama bin Laden and the head-choppers are not stronger and more ruthelss than Hitler and Tojo, they just have more incentive, and the institutional media culture provides it.


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