Wednesday, July 20, 2005

The Blogosphere: Freedom of Speech vs. Racism and anti-Semitism

I've always had a few weirdos posting here. I got rid of most of them when I limited posting to registered users, after a Muslim guy with Infidelophobia had been pestering me for some time. I still have a couple of readers who like to post openly racist and anti-Jewish material. I don't like it, and I'm not sure how to react to it. I've deleted a few comments, but let most of them pass so far. I think there is too much censorship in general in the West these days, and I am perfectly aware of the fact that many people think my blog is rather controversial, too. I don't like Islam, and never made any secret of that. I can't see what that has to do with race. Islam is a Fascist, anti-democratic and violent ideology that transcends race and nationality. I get better along with Hindus and Sikhs than I do with white Muslims such as Kosovo Albanians. From a principal point of view, I don't think it should be illegal to state that some races are superior to others. However, that doesn't mean that I have to allow it here. It is very difficult to have a genuine debate about immigration, and it becomes almost impossible to be taken seriously if visitors keep reading openly racist and anti-Jewish comments on the blog. People who are obsessed with conspiracy theories involving Jews can burn crosses or something and stop taking it out on Fjordman's blog.

Just a friendly reminder.

16 Comments:

At July 20, 2005 10:43 PM, Blogger RobertinArabia said...

n/t

 
At July 20, 2005 11:16 PM, Blogger CH said...

Your blog, your rules...

 
At July 21, 2005 2:31 AM, Blogger GayLikeAFox said...

Fjordman,

Since racism and anti-Semitism are at least partially subjective, I wish you had gone into a little more detail regarding what you feel constitutes either attitude. For example, while I can't think of any beliefs I hold that might be confused with anti-Semitism, I do believe, and I think the scientific literature supports me on this, that the infamous black-white mean IQ gap (15 points) which has persisted largely unchanged for over 100 years here in America, is largely due to genetics. I don't like it, but I believe it to be true. Now, would such a comment be unwelcome on your blog? Do you consider me to be a racist because of a conclusion that I have reluctantly (believe me!) drawn?

 
At July 21, 2005 2:46 AM, Blogger ThBadMonkey said...

From what I understand, "ISLAM" itself means: SUBMISSION

Does that sound like a 'Great" religion? Remember, you must bow to mecca at least 5 times a day...

BOW to MECCA????

God help us all, its a cartoon religion....

Islamic people tend to be from the "golden cresent", and arabian countries. Islam gets cut off at India, where a different religion/ethnic group begins.

Ethnicity and Religion go hand in hand, unfortunatly.You cant separate Buddism from East Asians, just as you cant seperate Jews, from Judiasm, or "Jewishism." Islam is more violent, because in a Desert environment, in order to survive, you must be more violent.Its very rugged compared to the Northern countries, which demanded a different type of behavior. As you know, Scandinavia has a high suicide rate. This is most likely because of a low melonin, (your too white),and vitamin A/D deficiency. Its a common problem when you dont get enough sun. There is also a common solution.Your behavior from a large scale population view is based on your evolutionary adaptation to the environment.

Human behavior is reflective of ethnicity, in many respects, and IS NOT RANDOM. Likewise, you really cant seperate a people from a religion. See: Jewish people/Judaism/Jewlery, etc...

Actually Jewish Preists usually come from 2 lineages of Jewish people, The "Cohen" clan is one of them, going back 4000 years or so...

This is not a slam, you know

 
At July 21, 2005 4:30 AM, Blogger stuart10242 said...

Let them post their hate speach it simply exposes and reinforces what they really are all about. Based upon my reading of the comments posted on this blog ,the majority of your readers will not be influenced in the negative by the hatred expressed by these sickos.

 
At July 21, 2005 7:51 AM, Blogger ik said...

thebadmonkey

You are somewhat mistaken I think

India / Pakistan and Bangladesh are the same "ethnic/racial" group. Islam does get cut off at the Indian border, but the "ethnic/racial" group gets cut off at the Western border of Pakistan.

Buddhism originated in India. The entire philosophy is Indian. It flourished in India for thousands of years. They got wiped out when all their universities/Libraries/Monks were destroyed/burned down by the invading Muslims. The Hindus survived primarily because the entire religion is completely decentralized. So there is not central institution/central book.
The Indian emperor Ashoka sent buddhist monks all over the world to transmit Buddhist ideas. Most of the Indian philosophical systems are syncretic and believe in coexistence - hence Buddhism became localized in each country it went to and there is hardly any literature of Buddhists having fights with eg Daoists in China or Shintoists in Japan.

Also the "racial" boundary on the eastern side of India near the Burma border regions is scientifically explained by the explosion of Mount Toba (http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/)
You will need a flash plugin in your browser to see that page but it is worth it. But there is no "religious border on the eastern side. It was Hindu/Buddhist all the way to Indonesia for thousands of years (until Malaysia and Indonesia became Islamic).

From this I can conclude that "Ethnicity and Religion do _NOT_ go hand in hand.

Also Fjordman,It is your blog - so your rules. My personal opinion is that leftists will deliberately point to those messages to reduce your effectiveness. Hence I think that the more egregious ones should just be deleted.

 
At July 21, 2005 9:03 AM, Blogger Kifaya said...

Islam needs to go through another Reformation. Wahhabism was the result of the last one. Clearly, it doesn't cut it.

 
At July 21, 2005 9:22 AM, Blogger Fjordman said...

Gaylikefox: No, I won't censor that.

 
At July 21, 2005 6:39 PM, Blogger RobertinArabia said...

It is very difficult to have a genuine debate about immigration, and it becomes almost impossible to be taken seriously if visitors keep reading openly racist and anti-Jewish comments on the blog. -Fjordman

A free debate must mean a debate limited to views approved by you.

One might think visitors might have the mental capacity to separate views expressed by one person from views expressed by another.

Of course many Europeans do not understand the concept of freedom of speech and accept having criminal laws applied to the expression of ideas and to historical research.

"He who will not reason is a bigot;
he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave."
Sir William Drummond

 
At July 21, 2005 7:14 PM, Blogger Don Miguel said...

"A free debate must mean a debate limited to views approved by you."

It is his blog.

"Of course many Europeans do not understand the concept of freedom of speech and accept having criminal laws applied to the expression of ideas and to historical research."

This is a private weblog, not a government agency -- freedom of speech does not apply. And don't confuse "understand" with "allow." I'm sure there are Europeans that understand freedom of speech but don't want to allow it (i.e. hate-speech laws).

 
At July 21, 2005 7:34 PM, Blogger Fjordman said...

Robert: As I stated in my post, just because I don't think certain statements should be illegal doesn't mean I have to allow them here. I want to be lenient when it comes to freedom of speech, but I am under no obligation to accept everything on my own blog. Don't like it? Make your own. It takes one minute.

 
At July 22, 2005 4:46 AM, Blogger ThBadMonkey said...

IK:

No, Im not mistaken at all.

Judiaism is the BEST example of ethnicity/religion.

Buddhism is not a Western religion, meaning it cannot/will not be adapted by any large part of the western population, because it lacks a "personal god". It is also moraly ambiguous in comparison to Western religions moral ab-soul-ute. (haha) Islam is of course, the most morally absoulutist of the Abrama religions. India is more mellow, as is the religion... to a degree of course...

As it is also a spinoff of Hinduism, and happened to catch on in a futher east asian countries, so be it. It lacks the individualism of the people of Western countries.

Of course, Herculese was the PINNACLE of western individualism. He also went up against the FEMALE goddess, HERRA (MOTHER EARTH, EARTH GODDESS, TERRA)

As I am the only person I know of to make the obvious Herra-Terra (Although she and her helpers are obviously earth gods) analogy (Not even Joseph Campbell made this analogy, to my knowlege), that would make you one luck person this week. Wow...!

Westen religion is about absolutisms. God is good, Devil is BAD... moreso in Juhdiasm/Christianity. In Islam, the devel fell for the love of god, so that makes him kind of a GOOD guy. -See what that gets you?


One badMonkey fo' sure!

 
At July 22, 2005 8:21 AM, Blogger ik said...

thebadmonkey,

read this article
on buddhist influence on christianity

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2005/07/yvette-rosser-on-buddhist-influence-on.html

 
At July 23, 2005 7:16 AM, Blogger ThBadMonkey said...

Buddism is COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE for the very examples listed, IE: a preist burned himself to show he was the christ figure. This may fly in the mongoland countries, but it dont fly in the west. I suggest you listen to ALLAN WATTS on internet radio, to try to get a comprehensive view of the differences between the religions...

This is absurd....Different races, different religions, as you JUST POINTED OUT........

(Phart!)

 
At July 23, 2005 7:38 AM, Blogger ThBadMonkey said...

People of western modern human countries are not going to burn themselves JUST to show how religious they are, or what ever psycological disposission it is intended to display. Its purly a racial/ethnic concept,Buddist BS crapola concept.......

Id say the priest who does that is a moron, but then again, Im not "enlightened"...jesus help me now, oh lord....

I dont think its any use to try to reason with people anymore. If you have an average IQ, or your a female, or your from a foreign country, and geneticaly not a Western European, you probably have a difficult time understanding human behavior and how this is relfective of evolution in the first place....
It is just simply beyond the common mans comprehension.

I have already said only muslims can stop the invasion by violence, NOT BLOGS, which is what is happening....proof in the puddin'

3.5 weeks until the next one goes off in Londonstan...

IK-
That website you listed also admits itself is probably alot of dribble...

Id suggest allan watts on internet radio, KGNU....

But again, I doubt anyone would be interested .......
Way too intellectual. I dont know of any rational discussions Ive had on the web. I really cant remember any at all....This is not that difficult to understand....

 
At July 23, 2005 8:45 AM, Blogger Ole said...

I believe in order to have any open discussion concerning races and/or religion, we have to get rid of all political correctness so we can openly express what we actually want to say. This may be racial or even raciest but at least it will be a true opinion.

 

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