Friday, September 09, 2005

UK and US step up pressure over Turkey talks

I am a strong supporter of the "Anglosphere", but sometimes the Brits and the Americans are wrong, and continental Euros are right. That certainly is the case regarding Turkey and the EU:

Fitzgerald: Jack Straw: Idiots Rule

Idiots rule. Straw is a fool. Historians know it. Visitors to Jihad Watch know it. When will enough people in England know it?

UK and US step up pressure over Turkey talks

Both Britain and the US stepped up the public pressure on the EU to stick to its promise to open membership talks with Turkey next month amid growing concern that the proccess is becoming derailed. In a strongly worded speech on Thursday (8 September), UK foreign secretary Jack Straw said "We all have an interest in the modernisation of Turkey and of reform there." "If we make the wrong decision, we could find that we have a crisis on our own doorstep", said Mr Straw, according to UK media. In the meantime, the US which strongly supports Turkey entering the EU for strategic and geopolitical reasons, has been watching closely from the sidelines. Yesterday, it also chose to make public statements on the matter. During a visit to Brussels, Kurt Volker, principle deputy assistant US secretary of state, said "It is in the interests of the EU, it is in the interests of Turkey, it is in our interests to see accession talks begin ... I hope that some longer-term perspectives would prevail".

British Foreign Secretary: let the Turks into the EU, or someone may get hurt

The Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, warned in a hard-hitting speech that snubbing Ankara's hopes would give ammunition to Islamic extremists, while welcoming it into the EU would help avert a "clash of civilisations" between the Muslim world and the West. Failure to start EU membership negotiations on 3 October as scheduled could lead Europe into a "crisis on our own doorstep," Mr Straw said.

Turkey's EU dream dealt double blow as Chirac and Merkel raise doubts

Turkey's 40-year dream of joining the European family suffered a double blow yesterday when Jacques Chirac and Angela Merkel, Germany's conservative leader, raised serious doubts about forthcoming talks on EU membership. In his most significant intervention of the year on Turkey, the French president accused Ankara of failing to act "in the spirit" of a country hoping to join the EU.The interventions by Mr Chirac and Mrs Merkel show that within weeks Turkey could face the nightmare scenario of losing the support of the EU's two most significant countries. Until now Paris and Berlin have been in favour of Turkish membership. Mrs Merkel has always argued in favour of downgrading Turkish membership. The popularity of her stance has allowed Paris to become less friendly to Turkey after the French rejected the draft EU constitution in May. Unease at the prospect of Turkish EU membership was seen as part of the reason for the rejection.


At September 09, 2005 1:13 PM, Blogger PD111 said...

A nation that stood alone against the Nazis, is now ruled by a bunch of cowards.

Letting Turkey into the EU, will not only bring in 80 million more muslims into the EU. Turkey's laws allow all those who claim Turkish ethinicity, to also claim Turkish citizenship. This means that Turks living in Turkmenistan and beyond into China itself, will have the right to be in the EU.

Then ofcourse, as Turkey shares borders with Iran, Iraq and others in that region, it will be a conduit to flood the EU with muslims from all over.

I thought we had time to stall the the demographic conquest that is underway, but this bit of idiocy and cowardice from the New Labour is beyond understanding.

The end of Western civilisation is that much closer.

At September 09, 2005 1:14 PM, Blogger PD111 said...

Thank God that the leaders of Germany and France have some sense.

Bush and Blair seem to have completely lost the plot.

At September 09, 2005 5:53 PM, Blogger José María said...

Leaders of Germany and France have any sense? I am afraid you are joking.
I support a Turkey in Europe, that could be a possibility of change all over the muslim world.
Have you forgotten Kemal Atartuk? I don´t think Turkey can be compared with the rest of the muslim world, they are very different.
I am aware of the problems that Turkey has now, the real threat of an increasing islamism, but what would it happen if it is rejected? It is very likely that it could try to create its own block with other turkic peoples in Asia, wouldn´t it be another source of tensions?

I want Islam destroyed, but not muslims as a whole. Let´s try to help those who are nearer to a real civilized society.

At September 09, 2005 6:38 PM, Blogger John Sobieski said...

Jmaria, you need a serious education about what Islam is really about. Those Turks read the same Qur'an as those Arabs. Ataturk and his 'reforms' was only a brief detour on the road to world domination by Islam, the pure, true world for Allah, and only Allah. Mein Kamph, a stupid, and hate filled biography by that supreme Imperialist Adolf Hitler is a best seller in Turkey TODAY. Just go check it out at the library and browse through it and ask yourself, "Why are the Turks reading this claptrap, hatefilled book?"

By allowing Turkey in, the Muslim percentage of the EU population would go to 20% from about 5%. Denial of the truth will not make it true. What if after Turkey joins officially, they refuse to honor some human right decree of the EU? Can you not see the can of worms allowing Turkey into the EU will create?

At September 09, 2005 7:41 PM, Blogger PD111 said...


Thanks for the reply to jmaria.


First, it is not our business to nursemaid Turkey. It is better that Turkey embrace the muslim world, where its influence will be better appreciated by the wider muslim world, as well as the West. If it can spread the message of secularism to islamic world, everyone will be profit. Its entrance into EU will not have any such value. Quite the contrary - given Turkey's drift towards islamism, and its continued persecution of Christians, I see no advantages to the EU or Turkey.

Besides, Turkey's culture and geography are outside Europe. I can thinb of any number of nations, Latin America ones for a start, whose culture is far more suited to EU membership then Turkey.

At September 09, 2005 9:41 PM, Blogger Baron Bodissey said...

Some Americans agree with you, Fjordman, and I'm one of them. The realpolitik people (a la Zbigniew Brzezhinski and Brent Scowcroft) are the ones promoting it.

However, Jack Straw may be right about this: "welcoming it into the EU would help avert a 'clash of civilisations' between the Muslim world and the West"; i.e., we'll avoid the clash by preemptive surrender.

I'm glad you're on this issue.

At September 10, 2005 8:53 AM, Blogger ik said...

This is just the tip of the iceberg - there is a full ideology,world view and belief system underlying such proposals.

The US State Department has been pressuring India for quite a while to open our borders with Pakistan and allow full unlimited access to all Pakistanis in India (At least Turkey is a bit civilized).

American Policy Advice in South Asia: Fatal Flaws

The same ideology is at work in New Orleans
Brooks sees the dispersion of the poor people of New Orleans as a grand opportunity to launch a whole new ameliorative crusade. Now that their neighborhoods, where they were “trapped” in a cycle of poverty and dependency, have been destroyed, they should not be put back in such situations, but rather be spread around among middle class white neighborhoods, where they will pick up middle-class standards and expectations and so improve their behavior and become more independent.

There must be a word coined to describe conservative moonbats who come up with such ideas.

Unfortunately the only solution is to play for time and hope a more Islam aware group of people take over in the US.

At September 10, 2005 11:00 AM, Blogger Stijn said...

This is the easiest way to destroy the EU, but isn't that just what the Brits want ??

At September 10, 2005 5:55 PM, Blogger bordergal said...

As a US citizen, please understand that our State Department is staffed by a bunch of morons.

They just delisted Israel as a contributor to Hurricane Katrina relief, while playing up the contributions of Arab countries. This is disgusting.

I sincerely wish that Hurricane Katrina had taken out the State Department rather then NO. We all would have been better off.

Please hang tough, I wouldn't want open borders with Pakistan either.


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