Friday, August 26, 2005

India rejects Arab conditions for UNSC seat, won't cut off ties with Israel

Thumbs up to India:

India rejects Arab conditions for UNSC seat, won't cut off ties with Israel

At a meeting in Amman, Jordan, two weeks ago, Arab envoys told the Indian special envoy, C.R.Gharekhan, that Arab states would support India’s permanent representation in the UN Security Council if it broke off relations with Israel, but this was flatly turned down. Top sources said that foreign minister Natwar Singh has been angered by the conditionalities imposed by countries willing to support Indian’s UNSC bid, and the Arab decision has irked him further, although that did not stop the Indian envoy from stating that India related to the Arab states and Israel on different planes, and one was not and could not be at the cost of the other. Foreign office officials said that Arab diplomats raised the issue in the context of resettling Palestinians in the Gaza Strip vacated by Israel, in which India has offered to assist with construction. The Arab diplomats pointed to the large number of Israeli delegations visiting India, and Gharekhan clarified that they were not all of political or military nature, but also related to agriculture, investments, and so on, and pointed out that the window provided for Arab investments in India ran dry. The Arabs said that together with terminating relations with Israel publicly, they expected India to involve in the Middle East peace process and raise regional concerns in the UN in return for support for Security Council membership, but this was unacceptable.

10 Comments:

At August 26, 2005 2:48 AM, Blogger PD111 said...

The Arab diplomats pointed to the large number of Israeli delegations visiting India, and Gharekhan clarified that they were not all of political or military nature, but also related to agriculture, investments, and so on, and pointed out that the window provided for Arab investments in India ran dry.

"Window provided... ran dry". Now what on earth is meant by that. Methinks this is diplomatic speak for an issue that is niggling the Indian government.

Good news all the same.

 
At August 26, 2005 3:28 AM, Blogger the adventuress said...

I'm liking India more and more these days, god bless 'em.

 
At August 26, 2005 8:38 AM, Blogger ik said...

Did you also see this one on the same page

India turns down Iran president’s visit request
http://www.india-defence.com/reports/173

India has turned down Iran president Mehmoud Ahmedinjad’s request for a state visit, his first since his election, because of his controversial international posturing, and hard-line anti-West views, and Russia has said no to him before.

Practically every Hindu (except communists) in India has great admiration for Israel because we know very well what we have been facing for the last 1000 years.

India is also the only major country in the world which has never had any anti-semitism ever (in thought, word or deed).

http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/sep/10sharon5.htm
"There has long been miniscule Jewish presence in India, happily encountering no anti-semitism"

There are three groups of Jews in India historically
1. Cochin Jews

http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/sep/08sharon4.htm

But the earliest documentation of permanent Jewish settlements is inscribed in the ancient Tamil language on two copper plates now stored in Paradesi Synagogue
The inscription says Bhaskara Ravi Varma, a fourth century Hindu ruler of Malabar, granted living privileges to a group of Jews led by one Joseph Rabban.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/aug/18isr.htm
"There are three groups of Jews in India -- Baghdadi, Bene Israeli and Cochini -- and they have strong feelings for Israel, while at the same time retaining their love for India, where they never faced persecution," he says."

There are also some lost tribes oj Israel that they recently found in India's Northeast
http://www.bneimenashe.com/

Here is a bunch of photos of synagogues in Bombay
http://www.rediff.com/travel/dec/29syn.htm

Heres something more funny
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1387325,0008.htm?headline=Israelis~rushing~to~India~for~peace
Israeli youths, fresh out of their three-year mandatory army service, are leaving their strife-torn country and reaching India in droves in search of peace.Two rabbis — Barcuh and Yonatan — arrived in India recently with a mission to take back Israeli youth who have strayed.

 
At August 26, 2005 4:01 PM, Blogger sissyblue said...

ik,

That's some very interesting stuff! Thanks for sharing:>)

I know little about India, but they sure are different in many ways than the rest of the world. They seem so peaceful in just about everything. As far as I know, they may be one of the few nations who never tried to dominate the world. And then there was Ghandi, the epitome of a peaceful leader. Even their muslims seem calmer and less likely to go berserk. Interesting..

 
At August 26, 2005 4:19 PM, Blogger Thomas the Wraith said...

In part this is because India deeply understands the Islamist threat. They have intimate experience with Islamist attacks. Remember the attack on the Indian parliment shortly after 9/11?

Indians had the sad honor of being the victims of the largest terror attack in the world before 9/11. Guess who was responsible? Dawood Ibrahim, an Islamic extremis and Muslim gangster with allies in the Pakistani government. In 1993 he set off 12 simultaneous car bombs in Bombay/Mubai that killed 300 people.

The Indians know what they are up against. They're smart people and recognize allies when they see them - the US and Israel.

 
At August 26, 2005 5:59 PM, Blogger Don Miguel said...

I believe Ik can clarify or confirm this, but it is my understanding that historically, India has suffered more deaths from "jihad" than anyone else.

 
At August 27, 2005 7:10 AM, Blogger ik said...

thomas - about the Bombay bomb blasts since you are interested, here are some interesting articles

Lessons from the Mumbai blasts
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/mar/14raman.htm

They’re closing in on Osama, our man still at large
http://www.indianexpress.com/ie20010919/op1.html

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/southasia/article_1038429.php/Analysis_India_seeks_crime_boss%60_return

Don Miguel
Yes - we hold this dubious number one status
1. If you count the entire Jihad against the idol worshipping kafir (Hindu) civilization then the toll is in the "tens of millions"
http://www.mantra.com/holocaust/

2. If we consider only the history of the Indian state after independence from 1947 then the total is in the "millions" - just the Bangladeshi genocide in 1971 was 3 million people in nine months (mathematically speaking 4 times more efficient than the Nazis - since the Nazis took 6 years for 6 million), apart from the tens of thousands in Kashmir.

http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

They committed mass gang rapes of about 300,000-40,000 women. The general responsible General Tikka Khan (I think) was feted by Pakistani womens organizations on his return for having helped in "improving the genetic stock" of the Bengali people.
Westerners hoping that Muslim women will be the breakthrough to clean up Islam - Good Luck. (I have heard that in Darfur the Arab women stand around enjoying the "show" while the African women are being raped.)

 
At August 27, 2005 7:11 AM, Blogger ik said...

PIMF - not 40,000 in the previous post but 400,000.

 
At August 27, 2005 7:31 AM, Blogger ik said...

thomas- about your second point

The Hindu nationalists when they were in power offered two deals

1. NAATO
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FC09Df02.html

2. "democratic nations India, USA and Israel should form an alliance to combat the scourge and develop multilateral mechanism to counter it, National Security Advisor Brajesh Mishra has said."

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030510/main2.htm
http://www.indianembassy.org/indusrel/2003/nsa_ajc_may_8_03.htm

 
At August 27, 2005 2:53 PM, Blogger sissyblue said...

ik,

Thank you so much for all the information. I've learned a lot from this blog, and my respect for the Indian people has grown immensely (although it was high before). I was telling my husband about it last night and said "The people of India are amazing! They are doing what's RIGHT and not playing political BS."

Thanks for sharing:>)

 

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