Wednesday, March 16, 2005

Dutch court allows film sequel to "Submission"

A Dutch court on Tuesday rejected a bid by a Muslim association to prevent the making of a sequel to the film "Submission," which led to its maker Theo van Gogh being murdered in Amsterdam by an alleged Islamic extremist. The court ruled that member of parliament Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who is proposing to make the sequel, could go ahead, and it also refused to bar her from making further statements deemed offensive to Muslims.

Hirsi Ali, who wrote the scenario for "Submission," had to go into hiding after the killing of van Gogh last November, and she then announced that she was working on a sequel. The ANP news agency said the court judge ruled that although Hirsi Ali "went to the limits of what is tolerable," there were not for the moment sufficient reasons to prevent her making a sequel to the film. Van Gogh was shot and stabbed while cycling in Amsterdam last November. Police allege the suspect is an Islamic extremist who killed the director because of his strongly critical stance on Islam and women.


However, according to Dutch Report, the judge also recommended Hirsi Ali not to call Muhammad a pedophile:

But amazingly the judge also warned Hirsi Ali to be careful when she does statements about the prophet. Hirsi Ali had in a newspaper interview said that according to our current norms and values the prophet was a "perverse tyrant" and a "pedophile". Judge Paris questions, "if it was needed to use these words".

"It looks like if [Hirsi Ali] with the use of these words has sought the limits of the permissible. The term pedophile has been chosen unfortunate because for that there would be the need of a pattern, although it is in the story a one time event". Judge Paris said that she did not break the law when she said it, but that would be questionable if she would repeat saying it. The lawyer of the Muslims says that she has been warned and that she received a red ticket. But Hirsi Ali, later said on Radio 1 that the Dutch language is a rich language and she will find other words.

Not a pedophile, eh? What else do you call a 54 year old man who has sex with a 9 year old child?

Aisha the Child Wife of Muhammad

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

3 Comments:

At March 16, 2005 5:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

But amazingly the judge also warned Hirsi Ali to be careful when she does statements about the prophet. Hirsi Ali had in a newspaper interview said that according to our current norms and values the prophet was a "perverse tyrant" and a "pedophile". Judge Paris questions, "if it was needed to use these words".

In a way I can understand the judge. His contention is that it is unfair to judge muhammed by the morals of our society. Muhammed after all lived in a very different society and in a different epoch. The trouble is that muslims regard the example set by muhammed to be valid for all societies and for all times. So logically, muhammed should be defined as a pervert and paedophile.

The learned judge should bear this in mind before requesting any restrictions on Hirsi Ali.

DP111

 
At March 16, 2005 11:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tip: Google for The Young Marriage of 'Aishah - and you will find an article by Abu Iman 'Abd ar-Rahman Robert Squires, at many addresses. Quotes:

...it should be mentioned that it is absolutely pointless from an Islamic standpoint to say that the age of 'Aishah is "not found in the Qur'an", since the textual sources of Islam are made up of BOTH the Qur'an and the Sunnah

...These ahadith, with only slight variation, read as follows:
'Aishah, may God be pleased with her, narrated that the Prophet was betrothed (zawaj) to her when she was six years old and he consummated (nikah) his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years. (Saheeh al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64)
This evidence having been established, there doesn't seem much room for debate about 'Aishah's age amongst believing Muslims. Until someone proves that in the Arabic language "nine years old" means something other than "nine years old", then we should all be firm in our belief that she was "nine years old" (as if there's a reason or need to believe otherwise!?!).

(Nothing new in this for a Norwegian Kafir, I suppose?)

 
At November 01, 2005 6:28 PM, Blogger pesticide said...

DP111,in the animal world,I don't believe animals have sex untill they are sexually mature.I doubt Aishah,at age 9 was. "Happy 9th birthday Aishah,I have a gift for me,uh you."

 

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