Thursday, February 24, 2005

Islamic law used by secular Swedish court

This case is some months old, but it didn’t come to my attention before now. In an open letter to Sweden’s Minister of Justice Thomas Bodström entitled ”No to sharia law in Sweden”, the International Campaign for the Defense of Women's Rights in Iran have issued a statement protesting a Swedish court ruling. The 23rd of November 2004, the newspaper Göteborgs Posten wrote about an Iranian man living in Sweden. He had married an Iranian woman, but was now reluctant to live with her anymore because of suspected infidelity. In the divorce case, the man was sentenced by the court, Hovrätten in Halmestad, to pay Mahr, Islamic dowry. The term Mahr comes from the Koran 4, 4 and is a basic part of the Islamic marriage contract, intended to be kept as some minimum of financial assurance by the woman in case of the man dumping her. The Swedish court declared that they adapted themselves to “Iranian law” in this matter. Since laws in the Islamic Republic of Iran are based upon Islamic religious law, it basically means that a secular, Swedish court thus judged according to sharia in this marriage dispute. Now, this may all sound cozy and multicultural and respectful of other people’s cultures. The question is: Do the people passing this ruling have any idea what kind of dangerous precedent they may be setting? As the women in this open letter write, according to Iranian and sharia laws, there is also the death penalty by stoning for adultery. Are Swedish courts going to “adapt to” Iranian laws in this case, too? Why didn’t they just rule as they would have done with a native Swedish woman? Muslim women come to Western nations such as Sweden hoping to get away from sharia. Yet some Westerners seem to insist on bringing it here, too.

For my part, I will add a few more questions: Where are Swedish “women’s rights” activists in all this? Sweden is after all the country where Feminism is something close to a national religion, and where every single politician has to declare himself a Feminist or commit political hara-kiri. If Swedes can worry about gender-segregation due to “stereotypical” toys such as dolls for girls, surely they can offer a few thoughts for sharia?

The answer is simple: It is the clash of Political Correctness: Multiculturalism vs. Feminism. The result: Sharia good, dolls bad. And who cares about Islamic oppression of women, anyway? Sure, Muslim men may be evil oppressors, but aren’t all males just as bad? After all, Swedish men are like the Taliban, as one leading leftist politician put it. And please don’t talk about Muslim gang rapes of Swedish women. That’s racist, you know.

Girl power! Now, I’m off to have some halal meatballs at IKEA.

20 Comments:

At February 24, 2005 2:34 AM, Blogger Final Historian said...

I am sorry to say, Fjordman, but it may soon be time to start planning on heading over to the states. You will want to get out while the going is good.

 
At February 24, 2005 2:38 AM, Blogger Fjordman said...

final historian: I have very conflicting feelings about that. I'm actually working on a long post about this very topic, as I've been discussing it on and off with some people at LGF for a while. I may post it on LGF when it's finished, since it's related to forum members such as DP111 over there.

 
At February 24, 2005 3:04 AM, Anonymous Megan said...

This comment is related to this article and the previous one (on Muslims raping non-Muslim women and girls) No one who denies a female the right to bear arms should be called a feminist. Whether left-wing "feminists" ike it or not, men are physically stronger than women, and women need some way to defend themselves. The Left says they care about women, but would rather defend criminals, especially if the criminal is a minority member.

 
At February 24, 2005 3:10 AM, Blogger Final Historian said...

fjordman, I look forward to that post.

Megan, agreed. Guns are the great equalizer. It doesn't matter if he is a 220 weightlifter and you are 110. If you have a gun, YOU are in charge.

 
At February 24, 2005 3:20 AM, Blogger Elise said...

And if you both have guns, he's still in charge and you may both end up dead.

 
At February 24, 2005 6:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi kafir-fjordman. Just checking out your site from LGF link. I appreciate what you are doing here. Though I am a native yank, I, too have been wondering where to move in the event of a swarm. There really isn't anywhere left to go. The Disney theme, "It's a small world, after all..." is playing crazily in my head. Too small, if you ask me. My family originally hails from Norway, and now my own teenaged nephew is headed for Sweden...on a missionary trip! (Not RoP). I am now officially concerned for his safety. Hopefully nobody will attack him for handing out Bible literature. I'm glad he isn't a girl. I still haven't managed to pry my jaw off the floor after reading the stats from your posts here. Wake up and smell the bacon, world!

 
At February 24, 2005 7:53 AM, Blogger AtlasShrugs.com said...

The exodus of Gentiles from Europe is expediting the islamification of the continent. I think that is a horror. All must stay and fight.......political correctness my ass...........those broads have to stand up and fight

 
At February 24, 2005 5:18 PM, Blogger Serf said...

Whats the bet that the Fundamental rights in the EU constitution will somehow not apply to certain sections of society.

 
At February 24, 2005 6:21 PM, Anonymous Odins_oga said...

This is absolutely disgusting. what will it take for the men (my countrymen) of scandinavia to show the drive and determination from days of old to rid our lands of this disease? The eye of Odin sees all

 
At February 24, 2005 7:00 PM, Anonymous Jeff said...

Off to a roaring start... keep up the good work, Fjordman!

 
At February 24, 2005 7:37 PM, Anonymous Jumbalia said...

Well, if you escape to..er...come to Los Angeles I can show you around here.

 
At February 25, 2005 12:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

From DP111
It is a tragedy that muslims who have left dar al islam for the West, and then hope to leave islam in the safety of the West, are targetted by muslims already herer. This is a very serious matter, for it relates to the topic of this thread ie the imposition of shariia by any and all means

An article in the Gates of Viewnna is worth reading in this context

Since Islam aggressively proselytizes, this one-way valve of conversion ushers new believers into the Ummah while ruthlessly preventing their escape from it. If one adds to this process the demographic advantage which Muslim nations currently enjoy, one would expect the Ummah to expand. In the West, Islam is spreading fairly rapidly, notably through the prison system, where Saudi-funded chaplains find a susceptible population of idle young men. Given the virulent strain of Wahabbism being promoted, it is not surprising that Islam should find such success among those prone to violence.

There are no reliable statistics on the growth of Islam in the West, either by conversion or migration. Indeed, some European countries refuse to collect such statistics, preferring instead to avert their eyes from the growing menace within their borders.

If the efforts of the faithful against the apostates are successful, and the number of conversions into Islam exceeds the number of conversions out of it, all of our JDAMs and armies and elections and alliances are of no use; the victory of the jihadis is assured.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/

DP111(oops forgot the password- hopefully it comes back to me soon)

fjordman: We do have a problem. As each day brings fresh news of dhimmitude in Europe, the temptation to flee across to the US gets increasingly attractive. And yet, the US is only a few years behind Europe in dhimmification. In fact one can argue that it is in a more advanced state. The reasons being that despite the fact that 3000 Americans were murdered in a few hours, and that the population of muslims in the US is less then that in Europe, it is the MSM in US that still fails to get to grips with the threat of islam. The MSM in the US is truly cowed into submission. There is nothing like the trenchant articles on islam that are common in The Daily Telegraph, The Times and The Daily Mail. Then again, the slaughter of the Armanious family in Jersey is far gruesome in its scope then that of Van Gogh. Yet this slaughter has not raised any concerns in the MSM in the US; quite different to what happened in Holland.

So I believe there is still some work that we can do before calling it a day in Europe. Besides, if Europe goes under, then the bells will definitely toll for the US as well.

 
At February 25, 2005 3:37 PM, Anonymous Odins_Oga said...

Fjordman, nice work with the blog. you are right, the liberal msm in north america is just as guilty as the european media for playing the appeasement game.

I guess it will boil down to the will of the people on this. I can easily see a global conflict arising from this situation. I for one will not go out without a fight.

 
At February 26, 2005 9:07 PM, Blogger DP111 said...

Your site is coming on very well. Each topic you have chosen, gets to the centre of the problem that we all face.

BTW, how many Norwegian bloggers are there who are bringing this sort of critical analysis to Norwegians in their own language? If there arent any, then may I make the suggestion that a Norwegian version of the article be placed in parallel with the English one. I think 'Merde in France' does something similar.

 
At February 26, 2005 9:29 PM, Blogger Fjordman said...

DP111: There are not many Norwegian bloggers doing this in any language. I'll think about putting it in Norwegian, too. But most younger Scandinavians understand English quite well, so it is not as necessary to be bilingual as it would be in France.

 
At March 02, 2005 11:46 AM, Anonymous F Eriksen said...

what can I say?

I guess I'll start with commending you for an excellent blog sofar. Your topics are indeed right on the money!

It is truly a sad time we live in, and as a norwegian myself, who lived in malmo sweden for 17 years(!), all I can say is %¤#%¤#""¤.

As for the discussion of moving, I understand the comments from atlasshrugged about "stay and fight", but I fear it is not that simple anymore.

The state is actively trying to stop all forms of education on the topic, negative press is basically stopped, and therefore, a resistance in scandinavia will not be able to be mounted until it is too late...

I myself have actually contemplated long and hard on this, and although the US and Australia sounded like good options (language and culture), there are problems there as well.

I actually found a solution much closer to home, Poland :-)

Poland is a strong catholic country, with basically 0 (zero) muslims. They have fought muslim aggression before, and as a country just becoming free again, they will fight hard to remain free.

I've worked in eastern europe before for a couple of years, and with the right job, it's quite good life.

I am not going to stay here and wait for the day my wife gets raped or butchered on the street. It is my responsibility, not only for us, but for our children, to at least try and find a home which has a chance for providing a sustainable, free (not dhimmitude) life and future for my family.

I will cry if (..when..) my homecountry will fall under islam, or any other part of europe for that matter, and god willing, I will step up if possible. But to leave my familys security in the hands of our politician these days??? no way...

By the way, good to see that some norwegians are starting to come out in the blog world :-)

 
At March 02, 2005 8:59 PM, Anonymous odins_oga said...

F Eriksen - very well said. I am fortunate enough to live in western Cananda, and we do have muslims here, we do not have nearly as many or the problems that scandinavia has.

Being a swedish citizen, it really hurts me to see that scandinavia is in such a sad state of affairs.

The socialists are completely supressing the information that the people need to know and downplaying the crimes that are spoken about.

If there is a battle or conflict in scandinavia, I will return and help the swedes, norwegians, and danes rid themselves of this disease. Until then I can only hope that they wake up soon.

 
At March 23, 2005 8:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What are you people talking about? Muslims are a tiny minority in Norway. You're seriously worried they'll take over the country? You guys are terrifying - such hatred is dangerous.

 
At July 02, 2005 12:47 PM, Blogger Anders Narvestad said...

This post is just way too stupid.

Using foreign law in national courts, under certain conditions, is not a new phenomenon. In fact, it has been done since the 13-14th century. Had the couple in the judgment been british, for example, the court would most likely have been using british law.

The law regulating the choice of laws it is called private international law. Without going into details, according to these rules there would be no danger whatsoever of a swedish court holding sharia-death penalty by stoning.

And whats your problem with the judgment anyway? Didn`t the muslim woman gain from the courts using iranian law? Whats the dangerous precedent you`re talking about?

Next time maybe you should try to understand what you`re writing about. I get so sick of people finding an interesting part of fact, then twisting it, until finally using tihs as an argument in a sick paranoia-discussion.

Anders Narvestad

 
At November 03, 2005 10:12 PM, Blogger oskar said...

The only country which has fought muslims in Europe is Serbia! Having been occupied by Turkey for 500 years they know what it means to be a Christian living in a Muslim state.

Unfortunately the US, UK, Denmark and the rest of Nato didn't think they had any reason to resist muslim dominance and bombeded them from a safe distance (never dared to invade though).

So now we finally have a muslim state in Europe - Bosnia - all thanks to the US and Nato. Soon they're about to create another one - Kosovo - which also 'happens' to be a center for drug, human and weapons trafficing in Europe.

 

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