Thursday, September 01, 2005

Can Europe Survive Another World War?

Europe reached the height of its global power and influence about the time of WW1, when it suddenly decided to attempt suicide. It almost succeeded with this in WW2, and it was mainly the intervention of its offspring, the USA, that enabled it to linger on ever since. Will we finally succeed in committing civilizational suicide this time, after a century of trying? Or will the Americans, the bastards, hinder us again?

Although Bjørn Stærk thinks it is hyperbole, I'm pretty sure Muslim immigration will trigger major unrest and civil wars in the near future. A world war caused by Islamic aggression is a real possibility, and becomes more likely with each passing day. At this point, I find it more interesting to debate what will happen to Europe after all this has happened. Can Europe survive another world war? Or will halting and reversing the Islamic expansion zap whatever is left of our strength and vigor? We could get a situation where Europe manages to stay non-Muslim, but fades away and declines to second - or third world status, leaving the global scene to the USA and Asian countries. Is Europe a spent force in the world? Maybe in the future, people will look at the small penninsula sticking out of Asia and wonder how they ever became so powerful.

I can envision a more positive outcome of this battle. Maybe the struggle with Islam will force us to rethink who we are, and trigger a renewal that Europe sorely needs. It will be painful, but necessary. European renewals can be messy stuff. As the quote goes in one Hollywood classic ("The Third Man"?):

"........In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed - but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long, Holly........"

Will European democracy be lost in the process, or will it in fact be saved from the neo-Feudalism of Brussels and the EU? Will the transatlantic ties be strengthened by this, or broken once and for all? Could we see Eastern Europe surpass Western Europe as the dynamic heart of the continent?


At September 01, 2005 2:38 PM, Blogger Pastorius said...

I think most thoughtful conservatives in America already believe that we are in a World War with Islamofascism. I usually explain it to people by saying that it is 1938-39 right now. It's just the beginning. Most people just don't realize what is happening yet.

By the way, you will often find thoughtful America conservatives referring to this war as World War IV. They classify the cold war as World War III.

Thus far, this war has progressed very slowly, and relatively peacefully. Other than the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, it has primarily been characterized by terrorist attacks in places as diverse as Indonesia, the Phillipines, Egypt, America, Spain, England, Chechneya, etc. These terrorist attacks have been answered with police action, and international cooperation on intelligence and by attempting to shut down terrorist funding.

It would be nice if the war could continue to progress this way. It would be nice if we could win it this way. I correspond with a Ivy-league type who fully believes that the war will continue to progess this way. He believes the war will go on like this for 40-60 years and eventually the Islamists will get tired, bored, and decide they'd rather do something productive with their lives.

Wouldn't that be nice? That seems like an laughably naiive belief to me, but I think many thoughtful people believe that scenario as well.

Here's what I think; there are three danger spots in this war,

1) Iran - Iran has already threatened the U.S. (in apocalyptic terms) that if we so much as take them to the Security Council over their nuclear program, we are dead meat. Is their threat just more Islamic bombast, or do they know something we don't know?

2) Al Qaeda sought and received a fatwa declaring that they had the right to kill 2 million Americans. Al Qaeda has said an Islamic atomic bomb is a duty.

3) Thomas the Wraith's scenario of the European right gaining power is another one that I worry about.

Any one of these three scenarios could send this, thus far, relatively peaceful World War into the realm of the first two World Wars.

At September 01, 2005 3:18 PM, Blogger bioqubit said...

a small point, but important nonetheless. The comment about Switzerland was singularly pig ignorant.

Pound for pound, person for person, Switzerland is deeper in technology, technological capabilities, than just about any other country in the world. Construction, textiles, analytical instruments, you name it, they have a hand in it. Because the country is so small, their impact is not so obvious.

Technology licensing folks make regular trips there and always leave impressed all over again.

If you took the trouble to catalogue what they have done in the last 20 years alone, you would see what an idiotic statement that is.

At September 01, 2005 3:48 PM, Blogger talnik said...

I think it would be safe to say that as a whole, Americans view Europe fondly, despite the increasing amount of bile that is spit at us from that continent.

The U.S. is growing, learning from its mistakes, and trying to prevent the next major war by sacrificing a few of its own now to save many of all later, while Europe is...bitching.

Europe will not survive by bitching. Think of a lonely voice from the bottom of a well, shreiking curses at those attempting rescue. At some point, the rescuers may just turn away, sadly, perhaps, but turn away nonetheless, and get on with their lives.

At September 01, 2005 10:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uh, it's a quote from a movie that's at least 50 years old bioqubit.

Maybe you should take it up with (the long-dead) Orson Welles?

At September 01, 2005 11:16 PM, Blogger PD111 said...

pastorius posted: Any one of these three scenarios could send this, thus far, relatively peaceful World War into the realm of the first two World Wars.

Actually, much worse then the past two wars, for a couple of reasons

1. Weaponry is far more lethal.

2. The war is going to be a global civil war.

The last is just too awful to contemplate. In fact it has never happened before.


At September 01, 2005 11:20 PM, Blogger PD111 said...

Sweden threatened with jihad

In one video, dated August 8 2005, the group says that viewers are about to see a “demonstration of the high explosives device, that we will use in the name of Allah.”

“This was recorded somewhere in Sweden,” says a message on the video in yellow letters against military camouflage colors.,7340,L-3135697,00.html

At September 01, 2005 11:22 PM, Blogger PD111 said...

From the same link

Referring to a well known Swedish reverend, Runar Soogard, who is reported to be under police protection after offending Muslims with a speech about Islam’s prophet, Muhammad, Dehex wrote: “Runar Soogard had a very bad and nasty speech about our greatest prophet Mohamed.”

“It's because he doesn't wan't to apologyze to the Ummah Nation on at least television. Thats why they are giving out this videos as a warning! There will be one more warning, if he dosen't apologize on television…” wrote the user, in an ominous warning.

‘Dehex’ also posted an image showing a bloodied knife plunged into a map of Sweden, accompanied by the message: “We will slaughter all who dared to attack our prophet Mohamed”

Do read it and send it along to all Swedes.


At September 02, 2005 2:13 AM, Blogger PD111 said...

London bomber: Text in full

or see the video.

At September 02, 2005 3:00 AM, Blogger PD111 said...

A funny tragic letter by Walter from Canada, in Pipes site

Are you an Islamist living in a country that no longer appreciates you and the values of Islam? A country that does not celebrate Jihad even though it was sanctioned by Allah and practiced by Muhammad (PBUH). A nation that does not recognize that you are Allah's chosen and that the rest of us are infidels, apes and pigs. Are people looking suspiciously at you, because your brothers are courageously committing suicide and taking the lives of worthless infidels with them?... If you are, then you need to consider the benefits of living in Canada.


At September 04, 2005 8:30 PM, Blogger The Beak Doctor said...

"Could we see Eastern Europe surpass Western Europe as the dynamic heart of the continent?"

Judging by the monkey chants directed at black British footballers in Eastern Europe every time they play there, I rather hope not.


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